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Author Topic: Recognize the 1915 Genocide for what it is  (Read 1350 times)
mdma
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2008, 10:19:12 PM »

"The term holocaust originally derived from the Greek word holókauston, meaning a "completely (holos) burnt (kaustos)" sacrificial offering to a god. Its Latin form (holocaustum) was first used with specific reference to a massacre of Jews by the chroniclers Roger of Howden[7] and Richard of Devizes in the 1190s. Since the late 19th century, it has been used primarily to refer to disasters or catastrophes."

once again you shine with flawless knowledge on subjects you speak about and most important you missed the point of article you provide as "evidence". Once again pushing Jews that way you will only gain even less support since Jews could be the only who feel solidarity with Armenians. Go on though, who knows maybe you are a Turk.
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2008, 10:35:15 AM »

I am sorry that it has been said that the term was used before the "chosen people's" Holocaust... only recently (and after the emergence of the internet).

But anyway, Moshe ( you already took a jewish name), you still want to call christians of Armenians "Jews" because it's your fundamental right to do so?
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2008, 03:38:52 AM »

I don't really see this being a genocide but instead as a 2 way war to be frank. There are mass graves of dead Turk civilians as well. I'm guessing the Armenians felt WWI was the right opportunity when the sick man of Europe was being attacked by Russia from the northeast and took up arms. But there have been specific movements against Armenians I believe though I wouldn't go as far as labelling them as genocide.

I've been particularly interested in Turkish history as they're hoping to join the EU so it's better to understand what they are (i.e: the incredible amounts of nationalism they have, the annoying immigrants they have in Europe, etc.). However when I've tried to conduct research upon this topic I could not really find info on things from the other side of the view. So I tried to ask our professors here and was told it's a debatable issue but is best left for historians.

So I've heard it from the subjective point of view of the Armenians a lot of times but I was thinking "what do the Turks really think about this?"; in other words I didn't want to hear it from an Armenian or other fellow ignorant Belgian like me on this issue but instead be exposed to some of the subjective views from the other side and try to at least understand the situation. So I got hold of a Turkish historian (can't remember his name, was pretty weird) and he told me the Armenians refuse to form a joint historian committee of some sort where it would be left for historians to decide rather than politicians. It sounds like a great idea to the ear but I just pondered why Armenians would refuse such cooperation. Is this true? He also mentioned about lobbying activities carried out by Armenians (lobbying activities can never turn out to be good!) and said things about a group called asala, who killed Turkish diplomats abroad in order to keep them from raising their voices and defending themselves. It all sounds suspiscious to me. He also mentioned about the bombing of a French airport (I couldn't find out why this was relevant to the issue) by this same group in 1998 or something.

It all sounds suspiscious and a bit forced to me. What the Armenians experienced is nothing like what the Jews experienced, that's for sure. Perhaps I shouldn't speak of genocides as a Belgian however and stick to my own issues as we're slightly guilty ourselves due to what happened in Congo and this has been a huge issue for us on the agenda these past few months...

Edit: The Europe section on these forums are a bit outdated eh? =( Kinda inactive.
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