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Author Topic: Texas Biologists Weigh in on Intelligent Design  (Read 538 times)
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« on: December 19, 2007, 12:39:47 PM »

A response to Chris Comer being forced out as director of science curriculum for not remaining "neutral" on the subject of what constitutes science.

It is clear where the actual work is being done.
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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2007, 05:16:53 PM »

It cant be said any clearer:

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evolution is a central pillar in any modern science education, while "intelligent design" is
a religious idea that deserves no place in the science classroom at all.

Anyone who is incapable of grasping this simple concept can hardly be able to grasp more complex and specific ones.
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2007, 05:26:05 AM »

It cant be said any clearer:

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evolution is a central pillar in any modern science education, while "intelligent design" is
a religious idea that deserves no place in the science classroom at all.

Anyone who is incapable of grasping this simple concept can hardly be able to grasp more complex and specific ones.

How would you go about proving that this statement is correct?

Evolutionary theory is not a central of foundational part of any branch of modern science other than evolutionary biology and evolutionary biology has almost no practical application in modern science.  Modern medicine does not rely on the principles of evolution.  Modern drug research does not, molecular biology does not, cell biology does not.  What is this person talking about?  The first part of the statement is false.   Likewise the claim that intelligent design is a religious idea is false also.  What religous doctrine is it derived from?  What religous document does ID support?  None.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2007, 07:51:04 AM »

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Evolutionary theory is not a central of foundational part of any branch of modern science other than evolutionary biology and evolutionary biology has almost no practical application in modern science.  Modern medicine does not rely on the principles of evolution.  Modern drug research does not, molecular biology does not, cell biology does not.

In the first place the accuracy of a theory is not dependent on its utility. In the second place, multiple practical disciplines use principals of evolutionary biology as a matter of course. Artificial selection of crops and livestock wouldn't work without basic assumptions concerning common descent. Treatment of recently evolved diseases such as HIV are dependent on research regarding its change from ancestral SIV viruses. Immune system responses are dependent on the evolutionary host parasite relationship. Evolutionary algorithms are used for problem solving in systems management. And, of course, any future benefits are dependent on the accuracy of the tested hypotheses. Ten years of tossing money down the rabbit hole of Intelligent Design has yielded nothing of benefit to anyone (except maybe a paycheck to Dembski, et.al).

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What is this person talking about?

People. Pretty much every PhD biologist from the major Texas universities signed this statement.

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Likewise the claim that intelligent design is a religious idea is false also.  What religous doctrine is it derived from?  What religous document does ID support?  None.

The motives of the Discovery Institute are clear as witnessed in that pesky Wedge Strategy.

The Designer of intelligent design is, ultimately, the Christian God.


                                        -----------William Dembski

Personally, I could care less whether Dembski is a Christian or a Raelian. I just think it is dishonest for the proponents of ID to demand a place at the table without doing any of the groundwork. No other unpopular ideas (endosymbiosis, relativity, plate techtonics, puncuated equilibrium, germ theory, etc) put themselves up as  political movements in advance of actually accumulating corroborating evidence.



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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2007, 08:00:54 AM »

It cant be said any clearer:

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evolution is a central pillar in any modern science education, while "intelligent design" is
a religious idea that deserves no place in the science classroom at all.

Anyone who is incapable of grasping this simple concept can hardly be able to grasp more complex and specific ones.

How would you go about proving that this statement is correct?
I'd ask a host of scientists in the field... Oh, wait, a whole host has signed the letter...  My job is done.
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2007, 10:21:03 AM »

A distiguished PHILOSOPHER?Huh?? There is such a thing?

Anyway, why is it that Scientist is the only profession where you can release data supporting your continued existence n your field and no one blinks an eye as long as it is the excepted norm?

We have many scientists, Chemists and biologists with PHD's and more published materials than you can shake a stick at and I have heard many of them talk about reverse engineering thier results. Starting at what they want to conclusions to be and figuring out from there how to get them. Its called Survival of the Grant.

Not saying this is the case here and maybe I am just cynical but how many times have you heard a scientists say "Well you know, I thought it would be this way but MAN was I wrong."
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2007, 11:12:17 AM »

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Not saying this is the case here and maybe I am just cynical but how many times have you heard a scientists say "Well you know, I thought it would be this way but MAN was I wrong."

A whole bunch of them admitted they were wrong about the human gene total. Admitting you can be wrong and changing positions when new evidence comes to light is science's strong point. No matter what the bias or weaknesses in procedure , a more accurate consensus will eventually win out when enough minds are put to it. Being wrong can be as useful as being right as long as the researchers are honest and play by the rules of methodological naturalism.

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2007, 11:48:32 AM »

A distiguished PHILOSOPHER?Huh?? There is such a thing?

I met a distinguished professor of philosophy at UBC once. Not distinguished for his philosophy, but his weed. Real primo bud.

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