IAP Political Forum
December 01, 2008, 07:49:15 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News: Default theme has been changed, and everyone reset due to some problems with posts disappearing after submitting.
 
   Home   Blog Forum   Help Search Chat Login Register  
Digg This!
Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Responsible Energy Bill Passed  (Read 151 times)
jpn of Seattle
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +241/-233
Posts: 2,021



View Profile
« on: December 19, 2007, 08:12:26 PM »

Quote
House, 314-100, Passes Broad Energy Bill; Bush Plans to Sign It
By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: December 19, 2007
WASHINGTON — Legislation that will slowly but significantly change the cars Americans drive, the fuel they burn, the way they light their homes and the price they pay for food cleared the House on Tuesday by a large margin. President Bush said he would sign it on Wednesday.

The bill, which passed on a bipartisan vote of 314 to 100, sets higher fuel economy standards for cars and light trucks for the first time in 22 years and requires the annual production of 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels by 2022, a fivefold increase from current ethanol production levels.

The measure, the Energy Independence and Security Act, also establishes new efficiency requirements for household appliances and government buildings, and aims to phase out the incandescent light bulb within the next decade.

Its passage is one of the largest steps on energy the nation has taken since the oil crises of the 1970s. But its full costs will not be known for years. Critics say it will make cars and trucks less safe and more expensive, divert farmland to costly production of feedstock for ethanol and other synthetic fuels, and raise the price of food because of competition for corn and grain between food producers and fuel refiners.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi described the bill as groundbreaking because it will significantly increase the efficiency of the nation’s autos, reducing oil imports and cutting production of gases that scientists blame for global warming. The bill requires cars and light trucks sold in the United States to meet a fleetwide average of 35 miles a gallon by 2020.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/19/washington/19energy.html?ref=washington

This isn't everything it could have been but it's a good start. I wish the requirement date wasn't so far off into the future, but it's probably the best we could get considering the resistance from Republicans and with having idiot Bush in the White House. 

As a measure of how much a difference a Democratic majority in Congress makes, compare this energy bill to the one the all-Republican majority passed in 2005, which was nothing but a multi-billion dollar give-away to oil and other power industries. As Kevin Drum notes: "[The 2005 bill] was little more than a massive handout to every energy lobbyist who ever dined at Charlie Palmer's. Today's bill, by contrast, actually accomplishes something. The CAFE increase to 35 mpg, all by itself, is historic, and 60% of the fuel mandate is for advanced biofuels and cellulosic ethanol, rather than the corn variety. This is real legislation that addresses a real problem, not a handout for campaign donors masquerading as 'reform.'"

Progress.
Logged

What you got is everything-and I mean everything—run by the political arm. It’s the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. --John DiIulio, former White House official
Abraxas
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +212/-207
Posts: 4,097


"You do not speak for the rest"


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2007, 08:46:36 PM »

I like this bill a lot... all up untill the ethanol stuff.

It's such a gigantic waste and nothing more than a costly way to get votes in the midwest.
Logged

Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky

... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
- Hunter S. Thompson
jpn of Seattle
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +241/-233
Posts: 2,021



View Profile
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2007, 09:22:59 PM »

I like this bill a lot... all up untill the ethanol stuff.

It's such a gigantic waste and nothing more than a costly way to get votes in the midwest.

I agree about the ethanol.
Logged

What you got is everything-and I mean everything—run by the political arm. It’s the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. --John DiIulio, former White House official
Liam
Newbie
*

Karma: +4/-5
Posts: 34


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2007, 04:05:59 AM »

Iowa is one of the biggest corn producing states, afterall.  I wish the bill included greater incentives for renewables, wind, solar, etc.
Logged
neue regel
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +61/-272
Posts: 1,802



View Profile
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2007, 05:38:14 AM »

Quote
This isn't everything it could have been but it's a good start. I wish the requirement date wasn't so far off into the future, but it's probably the best we could get considering the resistance from Republicans and with having idiot Bush in the White House.

A severe lack of leadership from the Democratic led Congress is to blame for this watered down, do-nothing legislation. 13 years? Are you kidding me? According to alGore, the earth will likely not be here in 13 years!

I thought we elected them to lead and unite the country...they've done neither.
Logged
jpn of Seattle
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +241/-233
Posts: 2,021



View Profile
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2007, 10:25:53 PM »

Quote
This isn't everything it could have been but it's a good start. I wish the requirement date wasn't so far off into the future, but it's probably the best we could get considering the resistance from Republicans and with having idiot Bush in the White House.

A severe lack of leadership from the Democratic led Congress is to blame for this watered down, do-nothing legislation. 13 years? Are you kidding me? According to alGore, the earth will likely not be here in 13 years!

I thought we elected them to lead and unite the country...they've done neither.

Compared to the Republican Congress, which did little more than shovel our money to already profitable energy companies, this is like fresh air.
Logged

What you got is everything-and I mean everything—run by the political arm. It’s the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. --John DiIulio, former White House official
neue regel
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +61/-272
Posts: 1,802



View Profile
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2007, 08:02:05 AM »

Quote
Compared to the Republican Congress, which did little more than shovel our money to already profitable energy companies, this is like fresh air.

You don't have very high expectations. You admitted yourself that it's a watered-down, do-nothing legislation. I guess they have to come up with SOMETHING to hang their hats on...
Logged
freethinker
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +104/-212
Posts: 2,354



View Profile
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2007, 09:51:54 AM »

I like this bill a lot... all up until the ethanol stuff.

It's such a gigantic waste and nothing more than a costly way to get votes in the midwest.
The Cellulosic ethanol isn't made from corn necessarily. Iowa corn farmers won't benefit from this bill for sure unless they diversify into other crops. The first choice for this this technology isn't even the corn stover( stalks) it is switchgrass . Switchgrass can grow in very poor soil and requires almost no irrigation.
 From Wiki:
 
Quote
Cellulosic ethanol is a type of biofuel produced from lignocellulose, a structural material that comprises much of the mass of plants. It is composed mainly of cellulose, hemicellulose and lignin. Corn stover, switchgrass, miscanthus and woodchip are some of the more popular cellulosic materials for ethanol production. Cellulosic ethanol is chemically identical to ethanol from other sources, such as corn starch or sugar, but has the advantage that the lignocellulose raw material is highly abundant and diverse. However, it differs in that it requires a greater amount of processing to make the sugar monomers available to the microorganisms that are typically used to produce ethanol by fermentation. Switchgrass is the major biomass material being studied today, due to its high levels of cellulose.
Logged

Yes we can ...and now we will...
jpn of Seattle
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +241/-233
Posts: 2,021



View Profile
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2007, 01:01:26 PM »

Compare the Democrats' bill to the Republicans' bill of 2005:

Quote
The bill gave the federal government new eminent-domain powers to clear paths for power lines -- a long-standing demand of the nation's electric utilities. The utilities said they were being thwarted by not-in-my-back-yard opposition, so the politicians came to their rescue.
The provision was just one example of how the energy bill, touted as a way to reduce dependence on foreign oil or moderate gasoline prices, has been turned into a piñata of perks for energy industries.
"Every industry gets their own little program," said Myron Ebell of the free-market Competitive Enterprise Institute. "There's pork in there for everybody."
The bill exempts oil and gas industries from some clean-water laws, streamlines permits for oil wells and power lines on public lands, and helps the hydropower industry appeal environmental restrictions. One obscure provision would repeal a Depression-era law that has prevented consolidation of public utilities, potentially transforming the nation's electricity markets.
It also includes an estimated $85 billion worth of subsidies and tax breaks for most forms of energy -- including oil and gas, "clean coal," ethanol, electricity, and solar and wind power.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/29/AR2005072901128.html

Isn't it great to be marching in the right direction, after six years in the wilderness watching Republicans actually making out environmental problems worse and giving our tax dollars away to their rich friends?
Logged

What you got is everything-and I mean everything—run by the political arm. It’s the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. --John DiIulio, former White House official
neue regel
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +61/-272
Posts: 1,802



View Profile
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2007, 01:36:16 PM »

Quote
Compare the Democrats' bill to the Republicans' bill of 2005:

Besides fuel standards (which Bush called for in his SOTU address), what where the other key points to the bill?
Logged
Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.4 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC
Joomla Bridge by JoomlaHacks.com
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.087 seconds with 26 queries.