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« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2007, 05:43:16 PM » |
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I don't know..maybe both. I mean.. how do you explain those who actually enjoy killing someone? The very act of taking a life brings them immense enjoyment. And they don't and won't stop unless someone makes them stop. When I think about it..maybe those types are even beyond the description of the word 'animal?' Animals kill only in defense or in order to eat and live. The word human a derivative of the word humane implys human attributes such as kindness, forgiveness, remorse. I've witnessed a type that hold no recognizable qualities of humankind. They hold absolutely no remorse or conscience. Only insatiable evil. The person that hurt my mother..was one of them.
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« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2007, 09:35:15 PM » |
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Humane is a derivative of human, not the other way around. Humans are both evil and good, it is reflective of your environment.
I reject your claim that animals are only survival machines. Wolves, bears, gorillas... there are millions of animals that do more than just survive.
We are still animal.
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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2007, 03:49:38 AM » |
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« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2007, 10:20:00 AM » |
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This discussion makes me remember the monkeys thread on off-topic showing this masterpeice. http://www.slick.com/dmd/dancemonkeysdance.htm |
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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2007, 12:12:59 PM » |
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Rachel, a species is simply a group of animals capable of interbreeding. As for the fact that some humans are just cunts, well that's just variation within species. Humans have an innate morality but it is present in some moreso than others. It seems to disappear from most when your survival is at risk - entirely consistent with a morality that evolved to help us survive.
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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2007, 12:21:22 PM » |
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Perhaps some people are animals..while others are a different species altogether..a higher level so to speak. Oh my gosh..I don't want to make you grumpy..but.. I have to disagree with your opinions.
Most of the people you appear to be disageeing with are using the term 'animal' in a quite specific (no pun intended), precise, standard way. You appear to be using it, and terms like 'species', in a different way. So, without overthrowing the whole biological classification system, could you explain the differences between humans and animals, human species (of which you seem to think there are many) and non-human species? |
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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2007, 02:25:26 PM » |
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Rachel, a species is simply a group of animals capable of interbreeding. As for the fact that some humans are just cunts, well that's just variation within species. Humans have an innate morality but it is present in some moreso than others. It seems to disappear from most when your survival is at risk - entirely consistent with a morality that evolved to help us survive.
IamMe..there shines your brillance once again. You have a great mind and steel trap logic. Except you keep forgetting one thing. Doesn't everyone experience life in their own way? What I mean is..I haven't lived your life nor you mine. So..we have a difference of opinion (don't we?) when it comes to our perceptions about the human race. You see..I've met and worked with selfless, wonderful men and women in my short life. (I volunteer at hospitals and nursing homes and the food bank). I've met and spoke to people that not only survived the tidal wave in Thailand..but risked their own lives in order to help others survive. No one makes these kinds of people do this. It doesn't depend on some morality issue designed to help us survive. These people - though few - I admit- are the highest formed members of our race. They show love IamMe...just simple plain..love. Love towards one another and those in need. There's no gain involved IamMe. Don't you see what I am trying to say? For all the darkness there is in this world..there are many precious beacons of light. The thing is.. goodness isn't marketable..so they hardly ever get noticed. |
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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2007, 03:48:34 PM » |
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"Gene Genie Meets W2P"
The Architect - Hello, Neo.
Neo - Who are you?
The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.
Neo - Why am I here?
The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.
Neo - You haven't answered my question.
The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.
*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*
The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.
*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bullshit."*
Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.
The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.
*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! F*ck you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*
Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.
As fas as we know, our consciousness resides in the brainpan. Floating in viscous fluid, fed digested dead things through tubes; for most of us, existing to feed the machine that enslaves it.
I don't see anything wrong with the metaphor.
I particularly like the one from the Architect's scene. Perspectivism in a nutshell.
Great topic Barnes!
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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2007, 03:59:30 PM » |
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allpoints..since you feel you can't get the answers to your questions.. you've found a way to answer them yourself. Every one to his own I guess.
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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2007, 04:11:00 PM » |
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Rachel, a species is simply a group of animals capable of interbreeding. As for the fact that some humans are just cunts, well that's just variation within species. Humans have an innate morality but it is present in some moreso than others. It seems to disappear from most when your survival is at risk - entirely consistent with a morality that evolved to help us survive.
IamMe..there shines your brillance once again. You have a great mind and steel trap logic. Except you keep forgetting one thing. Doesn't everyone experience life in their own way? What I mean is..I haven't lived your life nor you mine. So..we have a difference of opinion (don't we?) when it comes to our perceptions about the human race. You see..I've met and worked with selfless, wonderful men and women in my short life. (I volunteer at hospitals and nursing homes and the food bank). I've met and spoke to people that not only survived the tidal wave in Thailand..but risked their own lives in order to help others survive. No one makes these kinds of people do this. It doesn't depend on some morality issue designed to help us survive. These people - though few - I admit- are the highest formed members of our race. They show love IamMe...just simple plain..love. Love towards one another and those in need. There's no gain involved IamMe. Don't you see what I am trying to say? For all the darkness there is in this world..there are many precious beacons of light. The thing is.. goodness isn't marketable..so they hardly ever get noticed. Rachel, I must say your brilliance shines the brightest. It takes a very strong dosage of enlightenment to understand that someone can go beyond embracing the overcomplexity of the definition of love and just seeing that the feeling of it is so simple.  |
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« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2007, 04:25:39 PM » |
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« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2007, 04:34:04 PM » |
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Are we in a Matrix?Well of course we are. We exist as individuals tied to our species and our planet, a complex matrix of physical, cognitive, and emotional ties we can't do without. Are we just a Thought in God's Mind?Who? Are we a Brain in a Vat, kept alive by a Mad Scientist?Metaphorically. At some level we exist to serve our genes and our memes. Some of those can be pretty Mad... Are we in the universe, but decieved by a demon?Huh? Ok, got it.. Yes. We wake up too early to give up freedoms at a job we hate, to buy things we don't need, in the hopes that it will lead to a better life for our children. As for Beethoven's 9th, a slice of pizza, a sunrise, your mother's love: they all exist outside of you, but only come your way via the smallest of wires: your perception. Everything of the world outside us is constructed of our individual perceptional prisms and conceptual schemes, as far as we're concerned. We wouldn't know it any other way.
Are we in a Universe of matter, forces, time and the interaction of those things?Of course. How do we find out?Turn on a light switch. If the light comes on, someone's right about something...
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« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2007, 07:47:12 PM » |
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Perhaps some people are animals..while others are a different species altogether..a higher level so to speak. Oh my gosh..I don't want to make you grumpy..but.. I have to disagree with your opinions.
Most of the people you appear to be disageeing with are using the term 'animal' in a quite specific (no pun intended), precise, standard way. You appear to be using it, and terms like 'species', in a different way. So, without overthrowing the whole biological classification system, could you explain the differences between humans and animals, human species (of which you seem to think there are many) and non-human species? Brings up a good side topic. |
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« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2007, 12:26:34 PM » |
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Rachel, a species is simply a group of animals capable of interbreeding. As for the fact that some humans are just cunts, well that's just variation within species. Humans have an innate morality but it is present in some moreso than others. It seems to disappear from most when your survival is at risk - entirely consistent with a morality that evolved to help us survive.
IamMe..there shines your brillance once again. You have a great mind and steel trap logic. Except you keep forgetting one thing. Doesn't everyone experience life in their own way? What I mean is..I haven't lived your life nor you mine. So..we have a difference of opinion (don't we?) when it comes to our perceptions about the human race. You see..I've met and worked with selfless, wonderful men and women in my short life. (I volunteer at hospitals and nursing homes and the food bank). I've met and spoke to people that not only survived the tidal wave in Thailand..but risked their own lives in order to help others survive. No one makes these kinds of people do this. It doesn't depend on some morality issue designed to help us survive. These people - though few - I admit- are the highest formed members of our race. They show love IamMe...just simple plain..love. Love towards one another and those in need. There's no gain involved IamMe. Don't you see what I am trying to say? For all the darkness there is in this world..there are many precious beacons of light. The thing is.. goodness isn't marketable..so they hardly ever get noticed. Thank you Rachel. Just so I'm clear, do you accept evolution? I still think all the things you've described can be accounted for bu evolution. After the survival of the individual the survival of close relatives and the of the species as a whole are important (because they are likely to share a lot of genes). Selfless acts of altruism (i.e. ones where your life is at risk) are because of a 'misfiring' (and I don't mean that in any positive way) of our moral instinct and probably also partly to do with experiences during life. I too think these people are wonderful but knowing the reasons behind it doesn't make them less so. |
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« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2007, 01:27:37 PM » |
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Rachel, a species is simply a group of animals capable of interbreeding. As for the fact that some humans are just cunts, well that's just variation within species. Humans have an innate morality but it is present in some moreso than others. It seems to disappear from most when your survival is at risk - entirely consistent with a morality that evolved to help us survive.
IamMe..there shines your brillance once again. You have a great mind and steel trap logic. Except you keep forgetting one thing. Doesn't everyone experience life in their own way? What I mean is..I haven't lived your life nor you mine. So..we have a difference of opinion (don't we?) when it comes to our perceptions about the human race. You see..I've met and worked with selfless, wonderful men and women in my short life. (I volunteer at hospitals and nursing homes and the food bank). I've met and spoke to people that not only survived the tidal wave in Thailand..but risked their own lives in order to help others survive. No one makes these kinds of people do this. It doesn't depend on some morality issue designed to help us survive. These people - though few - I admit- are the highest formed members of our race. They show love IamMe...just simple plain..love. Love towards one another and those in need. There's no gain involved IamMe. Don't you see what I am trying to say? For all the darkness there is in this world..there are many precious beacons of light. The thing is.. goodness isn't marketable..so they hardly ever get noticed. Thank you Rachel. Just so I'm clear, do you accept evolution? I still think all the things you've described can be accounted for bu evolution. After the survival of the individual the survival of close relatives and the of the species as a whole are important (because they are likely to share a lot of genes). Selfless acts of altruism (i.e. ones where your life is at risk) are because of a 'misfiring' (and I don't mean that in any positive way) of our moral instinct and probably also partly to do with experiences during life. I too think these people are wonderful but knowing the reasons behind it doesn't make them less so. !!  You're going to have fun with me on this one. Yes and no. I believe a superior being (GOD or whatever name people call GOD) created everything into existence. How GOD did this..well..maybe (I've got to say 'HE' IamMe or else I am going to have trouble speaking). HE sparked life through some method similiar to - or like - evolution. Umm..so yes I believe in evolution - but- not strictly as an evolutionist. Am I making any sense? Because right now I feel a little out of my league. The best way I can explain it is I believe in both. I wish I could show you all the amazing things I've been learning through my studies of archeaology and ancient cultures. How every culture that ever existed ties in with the creation belief. And how much physical evidence there is left behind attributed to the evidence of God(s). As intelligent as you are..I am certain you know something about this. |
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