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« on: December 21, 2007, 08:54:22 PM » |
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Murderous SOBs...A 17-year-old died just hours after her health insurance company reversed its decision not to pay for a liver transplant that doctors said the girl needed.
Nataline Sarkisyan died Thursday night at about 6 p.m. at University of California, Los Angeles, Medical Center. She had been in a vegetative state for weeks, said her mother, Hilda.
"She passed away, and the insurance (company) is responsible for this," she said.
"They took my daughter away from me," said Nataline's father, Krikor, who appeared at a news conference Friday with his 21-year-old son, Bedros.
Mark Geragos, attorney for the girl's family, said he plans to ask the district attorney to press murder or manslaughter charges against Cigna HealthCare in the case. The insurer "maliciously killed her" because it did not want to bear the expense of her transplant and aftercare, Geragos said.
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2007, 09:09:17 PM » |
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Sad story.
But I fail to see how the insurer 'maliciously killed her'. They can dance around it all they want, but I don't buy this one for even a second. I know it's popular to paint the insurance company as evil money grubbing bastards. Mostly because you would usually be right. But there is plenty missing here before we could really talk about it.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2007, 09:12:27 PM » |
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Sad story.
But I fail to see how the insurer 'maliciously killed her'. They can dance around it all they want, but I don't buy this one for even a second. I know it's popular to paint the insurance company as evil money grubbing bastards. Mostly because you would usually be right. But there is plenty missing here before we could really talk about it.
Screw that. Issurance people think about money first and dying kids last. They make money off of death. This is just yeat a another example. Insurance is the worst invention ever. Like Carlin said: insurance really means 'in case shit happens'. Well, if shit doesn't happen, shouldn't I get my money back? |
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2007, 09:55:32 PM » |
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She had been in a vegetative state for weeks, said her mother, Hilda. I think that sums it up. Sensationalism at its best. How do we know she wasn't literally a vegetable? Europe probably would have done the same thing except they trust their health with their governments. |
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2007, 09:59:02 PM » |
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The point is that death is a business decision. People cash checks made out to the Grim Reaper.
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2007, 05:33:37 AM » |
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I'll give you an example wiggy. What was it that actually did kill her? Organ shut down? Something else? Was she so weak from being in a vegetative state for weeks that a transplant operation might have killed her anyway? Then she is dead and so is the transplant?
Like I said, we are missing plenty of information. I myself prefer to have as much info as possible before rushing to judgment.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2007, 09:29:11 AM » |
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I'll give you an example wiggy. What was it that actually did kill her? Organ shut down? Something else? Was she so weak from being in a vegetative state for weeks that a transplant operation might have killed her anyway? Then she is dead and so is the transplant?
Like I said, we are missing plenty of information. I myself prefer to have as much info as possible before rushing to judgment.
I'll have to agree, she was in a vegetative state. Your benefit has to outweigh the cost in order for the decision to be sound and reasonable. You'll have to agree that there are a limited supply of transplantable livers, and way too many patients that need them. So, think of it this way, it would be advantageous to give the liver to a patient that has a better chance of survival and benefit more overall, than just giving it to someone who's difference would only be marginal. |
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2007, 09:54:18 AM » |
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I'll give you an example wiggy. What was it that actually did kill her? Organ shut down? Something else? Was she so weak from being in a vegetative state for weeks that a transplant operation might have killed her anyway? Then she is dead and so is the transplant?
Like I said, we are missing plenty of information. I myself prefer to have as much info as possible before rushing to judgment.
I'll have to agree, she was in a vegetative state. Your benefit has to outweigh the cost in order for the decision to be sound and reasonable. You'll have to agree that there are a limited supply of transplantable livers, and way too many patients that need them. So, think of it this way, it would be advantageous to give the liver to a patient that has a better chance of survival and benefit more overall, than just giving it to someone who's difference would only be marginal. I agree but that should have been the hospital's call and not the insurance company. Bottom line if transplants are covered then they should get sued. |
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2007, 10:16:05 AM » |
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I'll give you an example wiggy. What was it that actually did kill her? Organ shut down? Something else? Was she so weak from being in a vegetative state for weeks that a transplant operation might have killed her anyway? Then she is dead and so is the transplant?
Like I said, we are missing plenty of information. I myself prefer to have as much info as possible before rushing to judgment.
I'll have to agree, she was in a vegetative state. Your benefit has to outweigh the cost in order for the decision to be sound and reasonable. You'll have to agree that there are a limited supply of transplantable livers, and way too many patients that need them. So, think of it this way, it would be advantageous to give the liver to a patient that has a better chance of survival and benefit more overall, than just giving it to someone who's difference would only be marginal. I agree but that should have been the hospital's call and not the insurance company. Bottom line if transplants are covered then they should get sued. Hospitals by law are required to save lives no matter what the probability is... The law does a good job of providing fairness but does not in an attempt at efficiency. A clue to maybe why our healthcare costs are so phucked. |
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2007, 02:51:48 PM » |
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I'll give you an example wiggy. What was it that actually did kill her? Organ shut down? Something else? Was she so weak from being in a vegetative state for weeks that a transplant operation might have killed her anyway? Then she is dead and so is the transplant?
Like I said, we are missing plenty of information. I myself prefer to have as much info as possible before rushing to judgment.
I'll have to agree, she was in a vegetative state. Your benefit has to outweigh the cost in order for the decision to be sound and reasonable. You'll have to agree that there are a limited supply of transplantable livers, and way too many patients that need them. So, think of it this way, it would be advantageous to give the liver to a patient that has a better chance of survival and benefit more overall, than just giving it to someone who's difference would only be marginal. I agree but that should have been the hospital's call and not the insurance company. Bottom line if transplants are covered then they should get sued. Hospitals by law are required to save lives no matter what the probability is... The law does a good job of providing fairness but does not in an attempt at efficiency. A clue to maybe why our healthcare costs are so phucked. Required by law yes, but if an 80 year old person rolled into the ER and a 17 year old at the same time, who are they going to work harder to save? Point is unfortunately you can't save everyone, and for a hospital it's all about keeping their doors open isn't it? Health care costs are high not only due to inefficiencies, but the rising cost in care. The bill you get from a hospital is so inflated, it's ridiculous, and because in our system the poor don't have to pay due to cost shifting. So next time you get a bill say, "I'm poor, i know this is inflated, and shift the costs!" |
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2007, 03:03:24 PM » |
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Er.. the way I read the article the insurance company was going to foot the bill if (god forbid) a liver had become available before her death. I read this as sign of flexibility and caring in an insurance company, maybe their foot print isn't as cloven as I've always thought.
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2008, 07:32:28 AM » |
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You're right tadpol...
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2008, 01:32:55 PM » |
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She had been in a vegetative state for weeks, said her mother, Hilda. I think that sums it up. Sensationalism at its best. How do we know she wasn't literally a vegetable? Europe probably would have done the same thing except they trust their health with their governments. The fact that she was in a vegetative state likely had something to do with the insurance company withdrawing their decision to pay for the transplant. The girl may very likely have died during surgery - no insurance company is going to pay for surgery that would likely end someones life. What would be the point? |
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