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Author Topic: America the land of the consumers  (Read 410 times)
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« on: December 26, 2007, 09:12:48 AM »

Check out the video on the story of stuff.
http://www.storyofstuff.com/
We are so blind as Americans... all we can think of is what we can buy and how much we can buy. This is a reality that people don't want to look at because they like the emotional lift from buying goods.
It might help the economy if we purchase goods but not if we do it on our credit cards.
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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2007, 09:16:11 AM »

The major disappointment in the times since the industrial revolution has been a shift away from "a quality product" towards, "a less quality product, that people will not loose faith in".

I understand this means more dollars for the investors, but the impact of "throw-away consumerism" is taking its toll.
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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2007, 10:20:43 AM »

  It used to be that you bought an item out of real necessity.  You used the item until it broke.  Then you repaired it until it broke again and you continued to do so until it disintegrated or it became obsolete.   But the American mind set has been molded by the media concerning consumerism as surely as it has been molded regarding political ideals.  And the industry has followed suit.  For example:  I drive a 40 year old car.  Every component on my vehicle is rebuildable. Rebuild kits for these components are available and cost a fraction of what a new component would cost.  My wife drives a new car.  Very few, if any, of the components can be rebuilt. Thus, if one fails the entire component must be replaced at a much higher cost.  Rebuildable components have been phased out for components that cannot be rebuilt.  This means more profit for the manufacturer.  We have become a disposable society.  It is not cost efficient to "repair" things anymore....No......throw it away and buy another......Clothes rip? Don't sew it, throw it away and get another.  Shoes worn?  Whats a cobbler? throw them away and buy new.

  Things are rarely bought out of necessity any more either.  You don't need to have 10 business suits in your closet.  You don't need to have a fully stocked wet bar in your rec room.  And your fairly sure your wife doesn't need 180 pairs of shoes clogging up the closet.  Face it....We have been programmed by advertisements, the MSM, by our wanting to keep up with the neighbors, and by a comfort level that we have become accustomed to.  Problem is...it cant last forever...unless we start using our heads more then our credit cards.
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2007, 10:31:06 AM »

I agree that we've become the disposable society. I used to do most of my own car work (even rebuilt the motor on my '69 GTO), and would always buy rebuilt parts when available. But I think the cars of old were equally meant to fall apart after a few years so that you'd need to replace it, just like now.

I have to agree with you about the shoes.
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2007, 12:52:48 PM »

I just found out there's a cobbler close to home, and is a young guy. So now I don't need to worry if the old cobbler I know eventually retires -just hope that younger guy won't run out of business! So far I've used his services to fix my 84 € shoes for the humble price of 13.20 €. They are in good condition and are really comfy, but the heel and sole were worn out. A new rubber half-sole and rubber heel and they'll last another year...
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2007, 02:46:45 PM »

"We can't run a linear system on a finite planet."

Very, very, very true.

I can't comment on the Global Warming debate because I simply can't understand it well enough, but the last minute of that video is EXACTLY why we should still request higher mpg ratings and lower CO2 emissions and less polution.

You could basically win these arguments by NEVER mentioning the enviroment. You don't have to sound like an eco-terrorist or Al Gore, but rather, mention that with a closed loop system where resources are conserved, reused and replanted, we could INCREASE the quanity of them.

I liked the video, and thanks for sharing it orchid. And welcome to IAP Smiley !
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2007, 11:21:54 PM »

 There's a Sears appliance store near where I live. I went around the back to get some cardboard boxes and found used appliances of all makes most in excellent condition, washers, dryers , refrigerators, etc,  It seems that when they sell a new appliance Sears hauls off the "old" one as a service to the customer often these are in in perfect working condition. I asked the guy taking out the trash if they were for sale. He insisted  that they were not and were destined for the land fill. The rich people will buy new appliances not because the old one doesn't work but they upgrade to this years stylish model with all the latest bells and whistles. Unlike used cars Sears makes sure nobody who may be a potential buyer of new Sears products will get these perfectly running and, not so old, machines. What an incredible waste.
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2007, 02:35:55 AM »

There's a Sears appliance store near where I live. I went around the back to get some cardboard boxes and found used appliances of all makes most in excellent condition, washers, dryers , refrigerators, etc,  It seems that when they sell a new appliance Sears hauls off the "old" one as a service to the customer often these are in in perfect working condition. I asked the guy taking out the trash if they were for sale. He insisted  that they were not and were destined for the land fill. The rich people will buy new appliances not because the old one doesn't work but they upgrade to this years stylish model with all the latest bells and whistles. Unlike used cars Sears makes sure nobody who may be a potential buyer of new Sears products will get these perfectly running and, not so old, machines. What an incredible waste.

He "assured" you?

He actually said that without laughing, or gigling?

I don't but it. Someone is making money. Heck, the nicer ones might go to Rent-a-Center type places and make a bundle.

I do agree with the OP though.

We have taken keeping up with the Jones to a new level. Gotta have the newest phone, car, Ipod, computer, shoes, etc, etc.

We have all this crap, yet most people are two paychecks away from disaster.

Kind of scary.
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2007, 10:13:47 AM »

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There's a Sears appliance store near where I live. I went around the back to get some cardboard boxes and found used appliances of all makes most in excellent condition, washers, dryers , refrigerators, etc,  It seems that when they sell a new appliance Sears hauls off the "old" one as a service to the customer often these are in in perfect working condition. I asked the guy taking out the trash if they were for sale. He insisted  that they were not and were destined for the land fill. The rich people will buy new appliances not because the old one doesn't work but they upgrade to this years stylish model with all the latest bells and whistles. Unlike used cars Sears makes sure nobody who may be a potential buyer of new Sears products will get these perfectly running and, not so old, machines. What an incredible waste.

If true, seems Sears is missing a chance to do some good work...a la Extreme Home Makeover...and give used appliances to people who need them.
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2007, 10:27:56 AM »

Funny.....I think of the Seinfeld episode when Elaine tried to donate Muffin bottoms to the homeless.....and the lady at the counter said "What.....poor people not good enough for the muffin top?"

Only this time......"What.....poor people not good enough for a new washer?"
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2007, 10:40:11 AM »

That WAS funny episode...no doubt...as was most of Seinfeld for me.

I guess my point was, if you have a perfectly good machine, let SOMEONE get some use out of it. Who is more likely to get benefit? I'm sure lots of poor people who use laundromats would LOVE a gently-used machine.
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2007, 10:58:48 AM »

You tired donating to the Goodwill lately?

A friend of mine bought a house, not new but in decent shape. The old owner left his washer and dryer rather than wrestle them up the stairs from the basement.

Well my buddy had his own units so I helped him get them outside and we called goodwill to come pick them up. They said sure, we can be there in about a week. So we just left a sigh on them that said FREE on it and when he got home from work they were gone.

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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2007, 11:01:17 AM »

Why should poor(er) people have to take anyone's hand-me-downs? Why shouldn't those who are better off pay to repair the items? I don't know where most people are from, but in the US we live by the myth of individualism to which is strongly tied a measure of self-worth when one is capable of purchasing new items. During the Depression there were many clothing drives for poor people (with shipments even to Canada) and the result was often intense resentment for the expectation that they should be grateful for receiving people's unwanted, used clothing. Same thing with appliances, it seems to me. Why should someone with less opportunity always get the crap? Me, I don't have a problem with used clothes and have been in a situation where it was all I had. My wife often shops at consignment stores instead of paying marked up brandname merchandise.

That said, last night we decided to buy a new washer/dryer set. The dryer is on it's last leg (been repaired a few times already and would cost nearly as much in parts/labor as a new one). We're changing the washer so that we can stack the units and save space. Plus, both appliances will reduce our energy and water use, while the old ones are wasteful. On a more positive note, I talked my wife out of the silly bells & whistles models she wanted in favor of ones that will do the job.

So there are reasons to upgrade at times. Since the washer is still useful, I may offer it up for free on Craigslist in the hopes that it is recycled until it too becomes junk.
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2007, 11:02:33 AM »


Clothes rip? Don't sew it, throw it away and get another.  Shoes worn?  Whats a cobbler? throw them away and buy new.

I have taken 3 sets of shoes to the cobblers for repair. 2 sets of VERY high end dress shoes and my Cowboy boots. BUT you cant really repair Atheltic shoes.
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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2007, 11:13:08 AM »

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Why should poor(er) people have to take anyone's hand-me-downs?

Um, because they can't afford to buy new stuff? Just a hunch...

We have a 'Give-a-kid-a-coat' campaign every year. People donate used coats, they are cleaned and repaired and given away to kids that need them.

It's called helping out a neighbor.
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