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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2007, 09:17:50 AM » |
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Definitely not good news for democracy in Pakistan.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2007, 11:19:57 AM » |
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 I could only wonder with this means for the future of Pakistan. Oh how central and western Asia has begun to crumble.
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2007, 12:23:38 PM » |
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It's a big tragedy and certainly a big loss to an already volatile region. I heard the elections in January may now be held off.
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2007, 01:39:50 PM » |
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The Balkans-1914. An assasination triggered World War I. De ja vu all over again?
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2007, 02:08:12 PM » |
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The Balkans-1914. An assasination triggered World War I. De ja vu all over again?
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A nice Yoggi Berraism there, but I don't believe it will come down to that. |
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2007, 02:10:46 PM » |
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The Balkans-1914. An assasination triggered World War I. De ja vu all over again?
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A nice Yoggi Berraism there, but I don't believe it will come down to that. Hopefully you are right and I'm wrong. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2007, 02:44:17 PM » |
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Maybe not a world war, but civil war is a possibility.
Radical Islamists can't shot at political figures and blow themselves up indefinetely. Poeple will be fed up and will rise against them.
And when Pakis will do it, Iraq will look like a schoolgirl pic-nic by comparison.
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2007, 02:46:35 PM » |
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Maybe not a world war, but civil war is a possibility.
Radical Islamists can't shot at political figures and blow themselves up indefinetely. Poeple will be fed up and will rise against them.
And when Pakis will do it, Iraq will look like a schoolgirl pic-nic by comparison.
Chilling. The sad thing is we stand to be drawn in. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2007, 03:11:55 AM » |
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Definitely not good news for democracy in Pakistan.
What democracy? I hope you mean the emergence of democracy, because democracy clearly isn't what they have. Their elections are meant as mere window-dressing. |
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2007, 04:24:27 AM » |
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How Muslim country can be democratic? Muslims follow Sharia laws (laws of Islam). Even if population of country isn't 100% radical Muslim fanatics (ie. Lebanon or Turkey). While Pakistan is one of the most radical countries,,, allowing it "democracy" instead of militant tyranny will end with radical Islamic democratically elected alike Talibs in Afghanistan.
I don't know how about you and what your intellectual level but i prefer Muslims be under heavy monarchy or militant tyranny rather democratically elected Islamits alike Hamas in Palestine... Think of what Pakistan could become if Musharaff looses it, with all nukes it has... It gonna end up with nuclear war again India or Russia who ever suits better.
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2007, 06:29:28 AM » |
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Definitely not good news for democracy in Pakistan.
What democracy? I hope you mean the emergence of democracy, because democracy clearly isn't what they have. Their elections are meant as mere window-dressing. Yes, I meant emerging democracy. And with that said, I must also acknowledge that Bhutto wasn't the lily white saint that she's being portrayed as in the mainstream media. It was her government that funded and provided military support to the Taliban, and there were many charges of corruption against her. |
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2007, 04:31:45 PM » |
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"Two months before her death, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto sent an e-mail to her U.S. adviser and longtime friend, saying that if she were killed, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf would bear some of the blame" The link: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/bhutto.security/index.htmlI think she was fooled into a false sense of security. She was told to go back and that she would be safe. But it was clear to her that once she came back to Pakistan things were not as they seemed. I think at that point it was to late. She could not back out because she was past the point of no return and that email says it all. She knew it was coming. |
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2007, 05:29:37 PM » |
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As a secular, Western-educated, female politician with close ties to Britain and the US, she represented much that is anathema to Islamist extremists.
She also publicly criticised President Musharraf for not doing enough to curb their power in Pakistan and she accused the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), Pakistan's powerful military intelligence arm, of harbouring Islamists with sympathies for al-Qaeda.
Much will depend on whether Ms Bhutto's assassin was sent by someone inside or outside mainstream Pakistani society
If al-Qaeda was behind this assassination its normal tactic would be to wait for a while to encourage confusion and then release a carefully prepared statement on the internet, laced with religious phraseology, praising the assassin and listing its reasons for the attack.
The conflicting theory, taken up by many of Ms Bhutto's supporters, is that the government of President Musharraf is to blame.
Specifically, they blame elements in the ISI who they believe felt so threatened by Ms Bhutto's potential return to power that they took drastic action. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7163286.stmI remember bringing this "ISI-harboring-Taliban/alQaeda" stuff a while back, and certain people told me I was crazy for the suggestion -- as if I was making it all up or I was grasping at straws, or that if it was happening it was only a little here and there --- people and agents of no consequence or overall power to do anything (like hide and arm Taliban). I hate it when you need to go out and find 100 obscure mentions over the past 20 years just to establish a commonly known phenomenon, in this case this specific ISI accusation. Very frustrating having to 'prove' something too commonly known to actually be overly evident on the internet. This is not to say that I necessarily buy what will likely be the current story - that it was terrorism. I think that's still up in the air at this point no matter how much it may look like it. Ahk |
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2007, 03:20:40 AM » |
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Definitely not good news for democracy in Pakistan.
What democracy? I hope you mean the emergence of democracy, because democracy clearly isn't what they have. Their elections are meant as mere window-dressing. Yes, I meant emerging democracy. And with that said, I must also acknowledge that Bhutto wasn't the lily white saint that she's being portrayed as in the mainstream media. It was her government that funded and provided military support to the Taliban, and there were many charges of corruption against her. Emerging, my foot! Pakistan's government has been going retrograde on this issue for some time now. Their hearts weren't in it. They were just trying to blunt Western criticism while reforming very little in actual fact. |
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