A nice Yoggi Berraism there, but I don't believe it will come down to that. 

Interestingly, ahk, you might find that we are more in agreement than disagreement, but surely you must note, I'm just past being a newbie on this forum and have no history of your posts, for the most part, since it was restarted and became a worthwhile site to both read and share opinions on.  I had been here for a very short period previously, months ago, and at that point dealing with the site was too frustrating to be bothered to hang around. 

That I like Paul Woodward and his choice of items to post and occasional editorial is merely a matter of opinion, but where Bush is concerned to say nothing of the
relationship with Musharraf, my experiences on a different forum very much resemble yours.  Don't most of us read, watch and/or reguritate those opinions or articles in which we find agreement with our personal world views?

As to your suggestion on reading, no Zionist fan am I and a do read some on Haartez though I take The Economist in hard copy and rarely read it on-line. I do read the Zionist, DEBKAfile as I even read on the Freepers to attempt to gain some insight into "knowing your enemies" or what one is up against. Where Isarael is concerned, can one deny, it is indeed the Zionists who are in charge, have been for years and with the resurgence of Netanyahu may become totally so? 

LOL, it appears at times, regardless of how one attempts to discuss
the many and varied issues involved with the circumstances with the Musharraf
dictatorship in Pakistan, many on political forums tend to have an "eyes glaze over" response and ignore the information regardless of where it is gleaned.  I've always found the Bush rhetoric about the "evil dictator Saddam" almost amusing when one considers the actions of Musharraf over the years and the lack of interest nor comparison by most who are the true believers of Bush "doctrine."

Am I really a "flamer" or just an occasional poster who chooses not to tolerate those of some persuasions who tend to be even more opiniated than I?  You'll have to decide that, but I will admit to having little tolerance or maybe patience, on occasion, with those who are over-imbued with the arrogance of youth and the surety of the complete and total correctness of their views. 

For the most part, I prefer to ask questions rather than make statements as in the end, those statements are typically only opinion and as you well know we all have them or we wouldn't be bothered to attempt to share them and/or the basis we choose to acquire them on an on-line forum of which thousands or millions exist.

Then to move back to the topic at hand, it was my immediate expectation the MSM, Bush et al, as by and large I tend to consider them one of the same, would
immediately attempt to place the blame for Bhutto's assassination on the old, well worn and extremely useful "bogeyman" al Qaeda.  Perhaps it was Islamic
extremist? And maybe it was indeed Musharraf, or even as I suggested earlier
even a hit job by none other than the CIA.  There is certainly a basis for suggesting so as that organization has a long and tainted history of such action.

To be quite frank, I doubt if "we" will ever know.  But the prediction of this
Cassandra would be that Musharraf will remain in power, the whole "democracy"
claim for Pakistan, which IMHO was just typical BushInc. propaganda, will be
carefully whitewashed in the MSM, any elections will be as they have in the past and Bush's ally in the concept of a "global war on terror" will continue with all the support Musharraf requires from the U.S. as it has at the expense of the U.S.
taxpayer.  Of course I could be very wrong, but like the "eyes glazed over" on
forums with discussions of Musharraf, I strongly suspect so it will be around the
planet, the Army and Intelligence service will remain in control and Musharraf
will remain firmly in power. 

Call me cynical, but I doubt even those who have taken to the streets as a result of Bhutto's assassination will eventually go back to the business of daily survival in a nation where it is difficult to do so.  Not all that different from we who post
opiniona on an on-line forum, but would never rise up in the streets against the actions against us on so many levels during the past almost seven years. In the
end, all that really counts is who has the guns.  To date, with the support of Bush, it is unquestionably Musharraf.

Happy New Years Ahk.  Thank you for your comments. Hope springs eternal even for the elderly, such as I, because we leave behind beloved progeny.  May '08 prove to be a far better year for all around this, as yet, still blue planet. 

One final request. Please fix the damned quote for me please. Cass