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« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2008, 03:41:10 PM » |
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JIMP mentioned purpose. Which also made me think, then OpMod doesn't need to worry about crossing a street with his eyes closed, since God needs him for something... (That would be the logical extension, but if OpMod did and was killed, JIMP would say "You shouldn't test God", or "He had fulfilled his purpose, Hallalulhah!" - Either way, it is plain Happy Talk and JIMP is pulling it out of his ass. It's standard Xian drivel.)
OpMod, it does seem, then, that it was an emotional experience that made you believe in a god. I believe Patton had a similar emotional experience (without the NDE).
I would love to hear about one time a person came to believe in a god through a rational experience.
One question: do we always accept emotional experiences as true representations of reality?
I don't understand how you can dismiss emotion so easily. Assuming it to be a material mechanism, is it not rational? The greatest proof for any God or Supreme being will always be the personal experience, the perception. All ideas or conclusions are based on perception; isn't emotion a perception?
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« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2008, 04:58:43 PM » |
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Frankly, no. Emotion is not a source of knowledge unto itself and a piss poor one.
A person has an emotional experience that he has talked to God, been abducted by aliens or is Nepoleon incarnate. Are we to judge the "god" emotional experience as superior?
Why?
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« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2008, 11:09:25 PM » |
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What? Is this english? It looks like you are saying that I should shut my mouth unless I know with 100% certainty that atheism is true.
Thanks for pointing me out that my English is shit, especially after understanding perfectly the idea of my post. I don't, I don't know that religion is false. But I also know that I have never seen any reasonable evidence to suggest that they are right and that what religions preach are usually exactly what people want to hear.
I don't know what kind of education you got there in Texas, mr.cowboy but me as a person never wanted to hear sado-masochism of religion with all evil and good stories. Religion forces you to do something not tell ppl what they ant to hear. On other note you don't know whether religion is true or false so shut up because at the end you will never prove religious person that you are right even if you fail to express yourself to atheists.
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« Reply #48 on: January 04, 2008, 11:13:07 PM » |
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Frankly, no. Emotion is not a source of knowledge unto itself and a piss poor one.
A person has an emotional experience that he has talked to God, been abducted by aliens or is Nepoleon incarnate. Are we to judge the "god" emotional experience as superior?
Why?
You are right, just don't forget that majority of human are religious and if they will unite against non-believers you will be the one sitting in the white room with no windows and Napoleon incarnate. Don't forget human nature. So once again either you make a cult of atheism and become a religion or you live your life without pointing out on how others should live their.
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« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2008, 08:53:41 AM » |
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That's right, Jane - tell me how I should live. Tell me to shut up and not worry about truth, and live my life as 14 year old Jane tells me too.
Just be a good little soldier, eh?
Doesn't the pursuit of truth mean anything to you?
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« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2008, 08:55:50 AM » |
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So you seeking the truth by bashing the opposite view? You kinda religious yourself then,,, I'm not telling you how to live, all i'm saying don't teach others...
now as for pursuit of truth, you can say i'm wrong but trust me not you or anyone else on this forum and in this very time will get the "ultimate answer",,, humanity far away from those answers. So pursuit of truth on how universe is made based upon emotions of one is 100% retard... You here just to bash religious because you think they are delusional and it's kinda funny to take a piss on delusional...
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« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2008, 10:08:56 AM » |
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So, now you are trying to tell me not to educate people?
How about we all just dig a hole for ourselves and take a 100 year vow of silence.
Great society you have, eh?
Jane, face it. Popele have opinions and we are better served by people voicing them.
You feel this is true, except you want your voice to be the only one heard. You are a hypocrite. You may feel that a perfect society is one in which peopel are respectful of all opinions, but that is not a perfect society. It is a society in which children die from ignorance. Its a society without progress.
Perhaps if you were better at voicing your opinion, and had a clear idea, you would feel differently. Maybe you would even feel an obligation to lead. Until then, you are simply trying to stifle any meaningful conversation so your wimp, weak voice can be finally heard.
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« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2008, 12:28:06 PM » |
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Obligation to lead another crusade? Thanks i'm fine with having weak voice in this case. i would better concentrate on something I CAN CHANGE like education/social systems in my country rather proving how wrong and delusional are those religious.
I like the shifting though, commander...
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« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2008, 03:20:12 PM » |
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Well, then enjoy whispering into the storm, because while you are being effectively silenced by your lack of conviction, others are grabbing the ears of politicians and affecting legislation that may force you to accept certain religious values of they remain unopposed.
The right for an abortion is constantly threatened in our country based on the religious convinctions of a minority. If it weren't for people like me, abortions would be illegal and prayer would be the preferred method of medical treatment.
Thanks for staying silent, your opponents thank you. ;-)
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« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2008, 10:08:32 AM » |
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I'm not against you voicing your opinion but against you continually voicing it without being asked...
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« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2008, 11:10:44 AM » |
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The right for an abortion is constantly threatened in our country based on the religious convinctions of a minority.
 Did Big D just acknowledge Christians as a minority in the United States? Perhaps mine eyes deceive me....
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« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2008, 11:44:58 AM » |
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I believe Patton had a similar emotional experience (without the NDE). I never said anything about an "emotional experience"....I believe I called it "spiritual"....you are the one who attempted to label my experience. I am quite familiar with "emotion" and know the difference between "emotional" and "spiritual" as defined in my own life. I would love to hear about one time a person came to believe in a god through a rational experience. What is needed to "rationalize?" Data? Repeated experiences? If one obtains or maintains faith through repeated "experiences" then I believe they are rational. Mine is strengthened daily.
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« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2008, 12:23:25 PM » |
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The right for an abortion is constantly threatened in our country based on the religious convinctions of a minority.
 Did Big D just acknowledge Christians as a minority in the United States? Perhaps mine eyes deceive me.... hahaha Nope. But people voting for legal abortion are still the Majority. The Minority are predominately Xians (as are the Majority, but mixed in are predominately Secularists or Liberal Xians)
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« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2008, 01:25:16 PM » |
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What? Is this english? It looks like you are saying that I should shut my mouth unless I know with 100% certainty that atheism is true.
Thanks for pointing me out that my English is shit, especially after understanding perfectly the idea of my post. I don't, I don't know that religion is false. But I also know that I have never seen any reasonable evidence to suggest that they are right and that what religions preach are usually exactly what people want to hear.
I don't know what kind of education you got there in Texas, mr.cowboy but me as a person never wanted to hear sado-masochism of religion with all evil and good stories. Religion forces you to do something not tell ppl what they ant to hear. On other note you don't know whether religion is true or false so shut up because at the end you will never prove religious person that you are right even if you fail to express yourself to atheists. People want to hear that there is something after death, that death is not the end. They also want to hear that there is some purpose to their life. These are things that religions offer that reality does not. (And BTW, I'm Irish not Texan)
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« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2008, 01:41:05 PM » |
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(And BTW, I'm Irish not Texan)
oh god then your "Is it English" hurts as twice as Pakistani would tell me same thing
and if there is something after death? Energy remain energy whether it's angel, demon or whatever things you have there in your forests... Maybe religion uses metaphors for higher things you cannot understand? Maybe it's you the retarded one who cannot understand Holy Teachings or any kind?
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