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« on: December 30, 2007, 03:29:41 PM » |
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There is a lot of debate about the health care system in the U.S. and some people think universal health care is the only way out. Now from a general standpoint giving health care to everyone seems good but it sounds too socialist.
I honestly don't get why though.
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2007, 01:34:51 AM » |
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There is a lot of debate about the health care system in the U.S. and some people think universal health care is the only way out. Now from a general standpoint giving health care to everyone seems good but it sounds too socialist.
I honestly don't get why though.
Sorry, I don't understand your point when you write "Now from a general standpoint giving health care to everyone seems good but it sounds too socialist." Were you being sarcastic? Coz to me, if something seems to be for the good of people, then what does it matter if it is capitalistic or socialistic? There is a friend of my family who lives in Kansas, and who was very sick recently. He is an old man, and his health insurance is very modest and would not cover the hospitalisation needed. So he didn't go to hospital and is using alternative medicine which is working, but very, very slowly and he is suffering quite a lot. But he says the hospital bills would wipe him out financially - he may even lose his house. Surely this is unacceptable in a society as rich as the USA? |
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2007, 06:47:08 AM » |
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Maybe I should've just said "why is UHC such a good or so bad for the U.S.?"
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2008, 02:59:31 PM » |
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Maybe I should've just said "why is UHC such a good or so bad for the U.S.?"
Because everyone has a right to life, and the right to life of a poor person is equal to that of a rich person. This is why socialism is right in general. |
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2008, 03:22:22 AM » |
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Maybe I should've just said "why is UHC such a good or so bad for the U.S.?"
Because everyone has a right to life, and the right to life of a poor person is equal to that of a rich person. This is why socialism is right in general. But no one has the right to the fruits of my labor for free.....I deserve to be compensated. I propose you give away what you do for a living for free. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2008, 11:35:09 AM » |
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Maybe I should've just said "why is UHC such a good or so bad for the U.S.?"
Because everyone has a right to life, and the right to life of a poor person is equal to that of a rich person. This is why socialism is right in general. While I agree that everyone deserves to life, you honestly think it's right for people to feed off the government like a baby feeding off its mother's breast? Didn't the US fight against something similar to that about 20 or 30 years ago? |
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2008, 07:24:14 PM » |
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Maybe I should've just said "why is UHC such a good or so bad for the U.S.?"
Because everyone has a right to life, and the right to life of a poor person is equal to that of a rich person. This is why socialism is right in general. But no one has the right to the fruits of my labor for free.....I deserve to be compensated. I propose you give away what you do for a living for free. Do you pay tax? If so, you give away part of what you do for a living for free. Taxation is part of the social contract to which we all implicitly agree when we live in society. The level of taxation which is agreed as necessary to a civilised society varies from one to another, but the principle of taxation is seldom challenged. Most societies expect infrastructure to be built and maintained, necessary services, such as postage, defence, education, etc. to be available at no up front cost. It is only a matter of a society deciding that health care, or care for the aged, or tertiary education, is important enough for those services to be provided as a necessity to a civilised nation. It is a matter of degree, not one of principle, and in the case of universal health care, it is relatively easy to implement. Take a look at any western European nation, or Australia or Canada, if you want to see how it may be done. |
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2008, 12:47:12 PM » |
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Maybe I should've just said "why is UHC such a good or so bad for the U.S.?"
Because everyone has a right to life, and the right to life of a poor person is equal to that of a rich person. This is why socialism is right in general. But no one has the right to the fruits of my labor for free.....I deserve to be compensated. I propose you give away what you do for a living for free. But nor do you have a right to usurp what is the property of everyone on this planet. Under socialism you would be compensated for your labour. But I don't want to hijack the thread over this. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 01:26:34 PM » |
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Now from a general standpoint giving health care to everyone seems good but it sounds too socialist.
It's about as "socialist" as public schooling. |
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2008, 02:04:24 PM » |
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Now from a general standpoint giving health care to everyone seems good but it sounds too socialist.
It's about as "socialist" as public schooling. Good point. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2008, 02:33:19 PM » |
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I remember Hillary Clinton said her UHC plan would cost $20 billion annually. End the war on drugs and that's $20 billion easily. Reduce war spending and give tax cuts to all Americans. There, health care for all AND tax cuts.
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2008, 03:35:12 PM » |
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It's about as "socialist" as public schooling. Great....let's make healthcare as efficient and productive as public schools. |
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2008, 10:31:28 AM » |
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Great....let's make healthcare as efficient and productive as public schools.
I go to a public high school now. The big problem with American schools is the students don't try. A nearby high school in the same district I attend failed the NCLB requirements simply because too many students were ditching school. |
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2008, 01:17:35 PM » |
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It's about as "socialist" as public schooling. Great....let's make healthcare as efficient and productive as public schools. Sorry, are you against public education? Do you think education should only go to those who can pay for it? If not then the problem is with the system not the concept. |
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2008, 02:21:42 PM » |
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Sorry, are you against public education? Do you think education should only go to those who can pay for it?
If not then the problem is with the system not the concept.
Yes, and the quality of public services are significantly improved by increases in funding. If senseless tax cuts stopped being granted, public education could become far more efficient, and universal health care would be realized as a feasible solution to the country's health problems. |
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