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Author Topic: Are you downloading music off CDs? You might be in trouble.  (Read 391 times)
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« on: January 04, 2008, 06:40:18 AM »

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Despite more than 20,000 lawsuits filed against music fans in the years since they started finding free tunes online rather than buying CDs from record companies, the recording industry has utterly failed to halt the decline of the record album or the rise of digital music sharing.

Still, hardly a month goes by without a news release from the industry's lobby, the Recording Industry Association of America, touting a new wave of letters to college students and others demanding a settlement payment and threatening a legal battle.

Now, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html

The bolded part is what really irritates me. By technical means if you've already bought the CD in the store then it's yours, at least that's the way I remember it. But now they're bitching over downloading music you bought legally? What the fuck?

So much for land of the free if you can't even do what you want with your own CD music Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2008, 08:10:57 AM »

He may have purchased the CDs and downloaded them to his computer but more than liekly he is also sharing them and THAT is why it would be illegal. I have a stand alone usb2 hard drive with all my music files on it. I purchased the greatest majority of them, probably 85%, and still have the cds to prove it. I NEVER share the info on this drive and its only plugged in when I am listening to the music.

Every DJ in America does the same thing instead of carry 4000 Cds with them and sort through them.
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2008, 02:04:09 AM »

Maybe if artists released cd's that don't just have 1 or 2 good songs on them I would consider buying an album from a mainstream artist. For example if someone bought Soulja Boys cd they should be bitch wipped because I could make better songs on my home computer than he did. Artists make most of their money from doing live shows rather than getting like 5 cents per unit sold.
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2008, 08:12:10 AM »

It is this greedy behavior by the music industry which fosters piracy in the first place. I have no problem with them selling DRM downloads, subscriptions, or trying to stop file sharing (and not simply because they're all easy to circumvent). But this is absolutely ridiculous and shortsighted, a guaranteed way to finally kill the sales of albums/cds altogether.

The history of the recording industry is one of idiocy and greed. Back in the days of 78rpm records the labels often included a message that the recording was "not for radio broadcast." Guess what happened? They sold fewer records because people weren't hearing them, so they wised up. The only reason we have downloads for purchase is because the industry kept its head in the sand and refused to acknowledge the growing trend and dissatisfaction with cd costs. Why pay $15-20 for a cd that has only 1-2 good songs? Unfortunately that too has been a longstanding problem whether it be LPs or cds. Take a look at any record bin and you'll find dozens, if not hundreds, of crappy, crappy albums that had just one or two songs worth listening to. Yet the sales prices at the orginal time of sale kept rising. Wasn't it Tom Petty that once tried fighting it by suggesting that people not pay more than $9 or something for one of his LPs? The nature of the industry is to find the one hit that will drive album sales, hopefully a second tune to boost sales once the first tune has run its course, and then complete the album with filler and fluff. It's been that way since the first albums and hasn't changed one iota. As long as people buy albums/cds, then artists will not feel the incentive to produce better music. It's all about mass consumption, not artistry anyways.

When cassettes came out there was a concern about bootlegging then too, but the concern wasn't as strong since the duplication quality always suffered. With digital that isn't the case, and there's no way to effectively police the sharing/duplication of digital files because it's only a short matter of time before someone cracks any security coding and offers the software online to the world. I've got a software now that will eliminate the DRM from any download so I can play the songs on other devices. I could share them in several methods if I so choose. There's just no ability to manage intent, and that is where these lawsuits may fail since the people bought the cds.

I say let the RIAA try to come after people because it will come back to bite them in the ass. I rarely buy cds now, but the ones I do are all on my computer so I can listen on my mp3 player. Not only that, but I set up a low-frequency radio station from my computer that lets me listen to any audio from my computer over the radio. If my neighbors wanted to listen, they could - and the record company isn't going to get a single royalty from it either.
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2008, 11:45:12 AM »

I heard something on the radio that made me think of this again. One of the main selling points by music player manufactuers is that you can rip your cds to your music player. This goes for cellphones now, too. It would seem to me that a successful lawsuit against people copying their legally purchased cds onto phones, mp3 players, etc. would be counterproductive. People want to listen to music in any number of formats, whether it be in the car, while walking, riding a bus, or other portable players. But they don't want to pay twice for the music when all they need to do is transfer. The portability is why cassette sales soared when that technology hit the market. I just don't see recording companies winning with this. They will have to prove intent to pirate, defraud or something like that. Just copying it for personal use shouldn't be an issue.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2008, 07:00:54 AM »

Copyright protection on the CDs is a pain in the ass, too, because some people's computers have gotten fucked up because they tried to download songs off the CD. It's almost like work own a CD.

The music industry also needs to put out bands and artists that are worth listening to. As Foamy the squirrel once said: "No one is gonna buy music from bands that suck!"
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2008, 10:36:21 AM »

Copyright protection on the CDs is a pain in the ass, too, because some people's computers have gotten fucked up because they tried to download songs off the CD. It's almost like work own a CD.
The only time I've had a problem was when the cd included other media, such as video or some interactive software. I have burned literally hundreds of copies with no problem whatsoever.  For that matter, I also record streaming music and burn cds. I'm sure the companies would cry foul, but I've actually bought more pre-recorded cds as a result. I maintain that if it's for my personal use, the hell with the record companies.

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The music industry also needs to put out bands and artists that are worth listening to. As Foamy the squirrel once said: "No one is gonna buy music from bands that suck!"
Yeah, good luck with that. People buy music they're exposed to and taste is subjective. How many people have bought Britney cds? John Tesh? Tom Waits? Joni Mitchell? I can't stand any of them. Record companies will publish whomever they think will sell, regardless of whether or not the band sucks. I'd say that the current slate of what passes for "rock" is a good example. Most of what I hear is just so insipid it is beyond belief. Much of the "alternative" music genres and artists wouldn't exist if it were merely a matter of measuring up on the suck scale.
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2008, 10:44:25 AM »

Well, I am lucky I don't have to worry about this.  I haven't purchased a CD in a long time.  The last one was a Weird "Al" CD Straight out of Lynnwood.  His CDs are the only ones I will purchase because I usually like all or most of the songs on there.  Most of my music is either DL (public domain items such as classical) or purchased as mp3s for my iPod.  Most cars are capable of playing mp3s now, plus I have a FM transmitter for my iPod.  CDs are becoming obsolete quickly, and the RIAA knows it.  They should be investing their time into future technology instead of trying to keep existing tech around.
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2008, 11:01:05 AM »

Well, I am lucky I don't have to worry about this.  I haven't purchased a CD in a long time.  The last one was a Weird "Al" CD Straight out of Lynnwood.  His CDs are the only ones I will purchase because I usually like all or most of the songs on there.  Most of my music is either DL (public domain items such as classical) or purchased as mp3s for my iPod.  Most cars are capable of playing mp3s now, plus I have a FM transmitter for my iPod.  CDs are becoming obsolete quickly, and the RIAA knows it.  They should be investing their time into future technology instead of trying to keep existing tech around.
I don't think they're so wedded to the technology, but rather the profits and how to control them. Once a song is digital it is near impossible to protect it from copying and sharing, and the RIAA knows that. If cds are on the way out, so be it. Perhaps it's the beginning of the end of record companies anyways. There are many artists who offer their work for free or purchase directly from them. If protecting the artist is the reasoning, then cut out the company altogether and support the artist for their work. As someone else already said, most artists make their money from performances not record sales.
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