The weakness of the "Strongest Arguement"

Factinista

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The weakness of the "Strongest Arguement"

« on: January 30, 2008, 07:38:40 AM »

The Strongest Arguement, in my opinion, for the belief in God is the arguement on begining. Basically if the Universe began then there must have been a cause, believers name this cause "God".

However, if it were true that all things require causes what is the cause of God? What created God? Did he create himself? Did he spontaniously erupt?

If the UNIVERSE must have a cause then GOD must have a cause. If God doesn't have require a cause then the universe doesn't require a cause.

--(addition, I forgot this in my haste to make it to class)--

Furthermore, if you then were to respond- Well the reason God doesn't need a cause is because he exists outside the realm of the universe....
The appropriate and logical answer would be- If he "exists" beyond the boundaries of the universe then I cannot possibly know or understand what God is therefore I must be agnostic about God.

If scientists cannot make the claim that there are (not, 'could be') multiple universes that exist outside our own (a claim I don't agree with) then believers cannot claim to know God, which is by definition outside of the universe.


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Re: The weakness of the "Strongest Arguement"

« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2008, 07:49:28 AM »

I love how theists have such a hard time with the concept that the universe may very well be infinite in age, but so easily assert that God is timeless. Even better is how they toss about "Occam's Razor" like a fourth grader showing his friends his cool birthday present, but then shout about the whole "God created the universe" thing, ignoring the fact that "the universe just is" is a much simpler explanation and even one with superior scientific merit.


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Re: The weakness of the "Strongest Arguement"

« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 08:02:13 AM »

What's really funny is watching non-theists kibbitzing about not being able to account for Gods' beginnings when they can't even account for the beginning of life on Earth........unless you guys have abiogenisis all figured out now.


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Re: The weakness of the "Strongest Arguement"

« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2008, 08:06:59 AM »

Patton, how did God come to exists then? Was God always around or was he created?


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Re: The weakness of the "Strongest Arguement"

« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2008, 08:27:15 AM »

Quote from: Factinista on January 30, 2008, 08:06:59 AM

Patton, how did God come to exists then? Was God always around or was he created?

I am probably not the person to ask, being a person of "faith" and all that.......


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Re: The weakness of the "Strongest Arguement"

« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2008, 05:49:46 PM »

The OP has an awful lotta BIG "if's", and the "musts" are all misplaced.

Just because the Universe had a 'beginning', does not actually mean that there "MUST" be a God. That does not actually compute. That's "something from nothing" logic. No offense.

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Re: The weakness of the "Strongest Arguement"

« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2008, 01:05:35 PM »

Quote from: Ahkenaten on January 31, 2008, 05:49:46 PM

I think that's essentially his point.


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Re: The weakness of the "Strongest Arguement"

« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2008, 10:35:29 AM »

Quote from: IamMe on February 01, 2008, 01:05:35 PM

Quote from: Ahkenaten on January 31, 2008, 05:49:46 PM

I think that's essentially his point.

exactly


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