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Author Topic: Why is this country dying?  (Read 1049 times)
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« on: September 17, 2007, 11:38:18 PM »

I think reemergence of segregation (our society is becoming more and more spread apart by race), the media being more corporate controlled than ever, multinational corporations which have no interest in our country having lobbyists (look at big oil), and our leaders slowly taking away our rights (look at patriot act), is just some examples of why are country is dying. Not to mention the NATIONAL DEBT AND IRAQ. What do you all think are reasons why this country is dying? Or hell, i'll even flip the script, what are some reasons why you think our country is getting better?
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2007, 12:07:34 AM »

The sterilization brought by political correctness.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2007, 04:15:52 AM »

The corruption and rot of the two party duopoly and the lack of genuine non-conformist politicians.

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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2007, 06:38:08 AM »

Define the death of a country. I can't see it happening unless there is some sort of nuclear attack or the economy crashes hard. So far it hasn't.
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2007, 06:58:13 AM »

What do you all think are reasons why this country is dying?

The American people.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2007, 08:49:29 AM »

Define the death of a country. I can't see it happening unless there is some sort of nuclear attack or the economy crashes hard. So far it hasn't.

This country as it was intended died long ago. Today it is a wretched compost of Trotskyite neoconservatism and Frankfurt School cultural marxism. True Americanists are forgotten by both establishment parties.

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2007, 09:42:57 AM »

Define the death of a country. I can't see it happening unless there is some sort of nuclear attack or the economy crashes hard. So far it hasn't.

This country as it was intended died long ago. Today it is a wretched compost of Trotskyite neoconservatism and Frankfurt School cultural marxism. True Americanists are forgotten by both establishment parties.

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I agree that our political system leaves much to be desired (to say the least), but it's quite a jump to equate this with the death of America.

We will eventually cease to exist as a country, every one of us will eventually die, this is reality. In a manner of speaking, we begin to die the moment we are conceived. The same time and aging mechanisms that turn us from zygote to person are also responsible for our eventual deaths. You could say the same about America, that we "began to die" as a country when the first settlers set foot on the continent.

Personally, I think the end of America is quite far off. Let's not be too pessimistic here, government and social problems are not unique to us, nor does it mean that our country is dead or dying.

To answer the OP though, I think complacency and intentional idiocy of the American people are to blame for the problems you mention. There are other causes, but I believe these things are at the root.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2007, 09:45:10 AM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070916/ap_on_re_us/saggy_britches

This is another thing wrong with America.

Baggy pants being outlawed? GIVE ME A BREAK!

Our society is obsessed with making criminals out of people who aren't doing anything.

F- the system
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2007, 09:47:34 AM »





Personally, I think the end of America is quite far off.

The death of America as a nation may be far off, but the death of the ideals its based upon...well that is closer than some think IMO.
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2007, 10:08:37 AM »

Define the death of a country. I can't see it happening unless there is some sort of nuclear attack or the economy crashes hard. So far it hasn't.

This country as it was intended died long ago. Today it is a wretched compost of Trotskyite neoconservatism and Frankfurt School cultural marxism. True Americanists are forgotten by both establishment parties.

OswaldTheOsprey

I agree that our political system leaves much to be desired (to say the least), but it's quite a jump to equate this with the death of America.

We will eventually cease to exist as a country, every one of us will eventually die, this is reality. In a manner of speaking, we begin to die the moment we are conceived. The same time and aging mechanisms that turn us from zygote to person are also responsible for our eventual deaths. You could say the same about America, that we "began to die" as a country when the first settlers set foot on the continent.

Personally, I think the end of America is quite far off. Let's not be too pessimistic here, government and social problems are not unique to us, nor does it mean that our country is dead or dying.

To answer the OP though, I think complacency and intentional idiocy of the American people are to blame for the problems you mention. There are other causes, but I believe these things are at the root.

You said a mouthful in re complacency and idiocy. A hell of a lot of people can tell you who Britney Spears and Paris Hilton are but not who Nietzsche and Darwin were! Angry

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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2007, 12:24:11 PM »

Define the death of a country. I can't see it happening unless there is some sort of nuclear attack or the economy crashes hard. So far it hasn't.

This country as it was intended died long ago. Today it is a wretched compost of Trotskyite neoconservatism and Frankfurt School cultural marxism. True Americanists are forgotten by both establishment parties.

OswaldTheOsprey

I agree that our political system leaves much to be desired (to say the least), but it's quite a jump to equate this with the death of America.

We will eventually cease to exist as a country, every one of us will eventually die, this is reality. In a manner of speaking, we begin to die the moment we are conceived. The same time and aging mechanisms that turn us from zygote to person are also responsible for our eventual deaths. You could say the same about America, that we "began to die" as a country when the first settlers set foot on the continent.

Personally, I think the end of America is quite far off. Let's not be too pessimistic here, government and social problems are not unique to us, nor does it mean that our country is dead or dying.

To answer the OP though, I think complacency and intentional idiocy of the American people are to blame for the problems you mention. There are other causes, but I believe these things are at the root.

You said a mouthful in re complacency and idiocy. A hell of a lot of people can tell you who Britney Spears and Paris Hilton are but not who Nietzsche and Darwin were! Angry

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We are victims of our own conspicuous consumption and consumerism.  It is why we admire Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, the epitome of deep seeded cultural ideals. Those who were great and important do not matter.  What a sad story.  Americans are going to die being cheated out of their dreams never knowing that there was a whole different world out there to choose from.   :'(

Stupid Americans... *Said in a French accent* Cry me a river.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2007, 12:35:31 PM »

 I'm not entirly sure that we as a country are dying.
 But I believe a lot of our social, ecconomic and political troubles started when the golden rule was replaced with "look out for number one" as our moral compass.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2007, 12:49:57 PM »

Our problems started when people thought it was a good idea for SOME to make social, economic and political decisions for THE REST.

When people defined "familiy values" and a "good childhood" or a "healthy lifestyle". When it became the right of government to decide what I eat or what I wear or what I play when at school on the playground.

THAT'S when things went down hill...
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2007, 12:56:15 PM »

When the hippies became yuppies.

My second Carlin quote of the day (warning, foul language):

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These people went from 'do your own thing!' to 'just say no!', they went from 'love is all you need' to 'whoever has the most toys, wins!', and they went from 'cocaine' to 'rogaine' and you know something, they're still counting grams, only now it's fat grams! and the worst of it is we have to watch the commercials on tv for levis loose fitting jeans and fat ass docker pants because these degenerate, yuppie, boomer cock suckers couldn't keep their hands off the croissants and the 'HaƤgen Dasz' and their big fat asses have spread all over and they have to wear fat ass docker pants. Fuck these yuppies, and fuck everybody now that I think of it"
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2007, 01:39:01 PM »





Personally, I think the end of America is quite far off.

The death of America as a nation may be far off, but the death of the ideals its based upon...well that is closer than some think IMO.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. As enlightened as they were, the founders saw fit to legitimize slavery and deny women the right to vote. Things change, it's not always a bad thing.
Personally, I'm very happy that the ideals of only white men voting and people being allowed to own each other have died here.

I don't mean to discount the problems we are having, but viewed from an objective, rational perspective, many aspects of life in America have improved drastically since the founding.

Now, if you feel it's a shame that Americans seem willing to part with their freedoms on a very gradual basis, I would tend to agree. The outlook isn't as bleak as you suggest though, IMO.
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