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Major Zee Lee
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« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2007, 03:47:17 AM »

America has no future because it doesn't haves a goal.

Back in 1991, I memorized this quote:

"America must do now its plans to be somewhere in 50 years or it will be nowhere in 50 years"

Ir's a variation of "what doesn't goes somewhere it's going nowhere".

But both sentences abridge very well what happens with America. It no longer haves long term plans. Hasn't had since the day Communism died and it wasn't America's decission. There is no goal, no long temr udnertaking, just whatever shortsighted plans can do an Admisnitration in the 4 to 8 years its power will last.

ameirca isn0g going somewhere,a nd io ti'sa cually going nowhere. Everyone els ahs got long term plans. EU wants to grow, consoldiate, unite and oppose whatever superpower rules the world. China wants to be a superpower, India wants to be rich and claim its piece fo the cake, Arabs want to be free from infidels, Latin America is tumbling up the wealth slope.... who's left without a plan for the next 50 years? Africa and the USA.

It's not about succeeding, but about attmepting it. America is no longer attmeptinh anyhting. Nothign to sacrifice for, nothing to hope for. It produces faithless leaders filled of empty rethoric and controlled by selfish puppeteers. Nobody wants to lead because there's no place to lead to. The last president who had some plan for the future was Clinton -and he and his plan where smashed to pulp. He planned to have a better America in the social aspect, which right or wrong, at least was a long term goal. But now... are American candidates concerning about anything spanning longer than the next 4 years?

America isn't going somewhere, and so it's going nowhere. and if you really want to ahve a thrill down your spine, think this: the point of no return where foreign powers will be able to prevent America from pursuing a goal is closing in. Ameirca's economy is tumbling and becoming increasingly unreliable, and this means that economic power will have to shift to a more stable fulcrum. Someday the USA will stop being the best investment in the world and then your fate as a superpower will be sealed.
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« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2007, 06:23:26 AM »

I've never been a big fan of American exceptionalism.
That being said, it's a fact that the U.S. economy remains the largest and most resilient in the world. The U.S. military is awesome and light years ahead of any other (we spend way too much on the military IMO). U.S. culture is also pervasive--for example, over 90 percent of all box office receipts worldwide go to Hollywood. As for all the angst expressed about how the U.S. is "dying", I don't especially buy it. Our society is far stronger than it was just a few decades ago, when de facto segregation was still being practiced, when women were still treated as second class citizens, and gays were openly denigrated. If there is something wrong, it's that the polarization of wealth has dramatically increased due to the weakening of the labor movement.

People have been anticipating America's downfall for decades, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Right now, thanks to the idiot in the White House and his Republican lackies, U.S. prestige and influence is at a historic ebb. It probably will not remain so. What nation would take its place? Is the West ready for leadership from the dictators in China?
I doubt it.
Is the E.U. solid enough to propose and stick to a unitary foreign policy?
No.
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« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2007, 06:50:39 AM »

I've never been a big fan of American exceptionalism.
That being said, it's a fact that the U.S. economy remains the largest and most resilient in the world. The U.S. military is awesome and light years ahead of any other (we spend way too much on the military IMO). U.S. culture is also pervasive--for example, over 90 percent of all box office receipts worldwide go to Hollywood. As for all the angst expressed about how the U.S. is "dying", I don't especially buy it. Our society is far stronger than it was just a few decades ago, when de facto segregation was still being practiced, when women were still treated as second class citizens, and gays were openly denigrated. If there is something wrong, it's that the polarization of wealth has dramatically increased due to the weakening of the labor movement.

People have been anticipating America's downfall for decades, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Right now, thanks to the idiot in the White House and his Republican lackies, U.S. prestige and influence is at a historic ebb. It probably will not remain so. What nation would take its place? Is the West ready for leadership from the dictators in China?
I doubt it.
Is the E.U. solid enough to propose and stick to a unitary foreign policy?
No.

I agree. There seems to be this "they don't build em like they used to", yearning for a "golden age" sentiment. I see this as a grass is greener issue.

You are right about the labor movement, it's downfall had serious ramifications for the U.S. IMO, it partially explains the state of mass media today (another real problem), due to the lack of present day labor newspapers. They played an important role in civil society.

Still, 100 years ago, things weren't much "better". The labor movement might be in a bad shape today, but look around. There are no strikebreakers busting heads  these days. Government agencies like OSHA aren't as thorough as they should be in enforcing safety standards, but look back 100 years. We didn't even have an agency to protect workers right to a safe workplace. We might think children have it rough, and too many children live in poverty, but at least we're not forcing them to work 12 hour days in factories any more.

The point here is that we are making progress, and no matter how many people talk about how we're more barbaric than ancient Rome for aborting all those babies or how we're a fascist dictatorship now because of the patriot act, these things simply aren't true. Quality of life is very high in America and we enjoy as much freedom as pretty much anyone in history ever has. I'm not saying we shouldn't work to make this a better place, because we should. I'm just saying that the idea that America is dying is pure sensationalism.
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« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2007, 10:34:13 AM »

America has no future because it doesn't haves a goal.

Back in 1991, I memorized this quote:

"America must do now its plans to be somewhere in 50 years or it will be nowhere in 50 years"

Ir's a variation of "what doesn't goes somewhere it's going nowhere".

But both sentences abridge very well what happens with America. It no longer haves long term plans. Hasn't had since the day Communism died and it wasn't America's decission. There is no goal, no long temr udnertaking, just whatever shortsighted plans can do an Admisnitration in the 4 to 8 years its power will last.

ameirca isn0g going somewhere,a nd io ti'sa cually going nowhere. Everyone els ahs got long term plans. EU wants to grow, consoldiate, unite and oppose whatever superpower rules the world. China wants to be a superpower, India wants to be rich and claim its piece fo the cake, Arabs want to be free from infidels, Latin America is tumbling up the wealth slope.... who's left without a plan for the next 50 years? Africa and the USA.

It's not about succeeding, but about attmepting it. America is no longer attmeptinh anyhting. Nothign to sacrifice for, nothing to hope for. It produces faithless leaders filled of empty rethoric and controlled by selfish puppeteers. Nobody wants to lead because there's no place to lead to. The last president who had some plan for the future was Clinton -and he and his plan where smashed to pulp. He planned to have a better America in the social aspect, which right or wrong, at least was a long term goal. But now... are American candidates concerning about anything spanning longer than the next 4 years?

America isn't going somewhere, and so it's going nowhere. and if you really want to ahve a thrill down your spine, think this: the point of no return where foreign powers will be able to prevent America from pursuing a goal is closing in. Ameirca's economy is tumbling and becoming increasingly unreliable, and this means that economic power will have to shift to a more stable fulcrum. Someday the USA will stop being the best investment in the world and then your fate as a superpower will be sealed.

Actually, I think you bring up a good point.

Of all my friends from high school, I feel like I'm the only one who knows what I want to do after college. We're all juniors and still my friends have no defined major or area of intrest.

Please, I would like to consider myself humble and I don't mean to sound like I am "better" then them... but I *DO* have a clear idea of what I'm doing after college where as they are far more willing to "go with the flow", which isn't a big deal when you are in high school or a freshmen in college... but my friends have 2 years left and then they are "on their own".

They didn't know what they wanted and still are not sure how they want to continue... and it scares me.

But you're right, and it may not be limited to th US. but a lot of young people seem disintrested in choosing a direction or having a goal... and I'm sure past generations had this and I'm sure they got over it... but it still worries me.
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« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2007, 06:27:35 PM »

Our country is dying because the People (lower and middle class) are complete sheep to the Ruling Class that are establing their New World Order Global Government inwhich they take away national rights through Globalization Trade Agreements and Global Central Banks.
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« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2007, 02:05:50 AM »

Our country is dying because the People (lower and middle class) are complete sheep to the Ruling Class that are establing their New World Order Global Government inwhich they take away national rights through Globalization Trade Agreements and Global Central Banks.

Your abbility to summarize the Mantra in a single sentence is astounding... Shocked FreeinTX could take a couple lessons from you... Wink
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« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2007, 04:15:05 AM »

Our country is dying because the People (lower and middle class) are complete sheep to the Ruling Class that are establing their New World Order Global Government inwhich they take away national rights through Globalization Trade Agreements and Global Central Banks.

This is mindless.

I'm middle class and I am no product of the NWO or "the ruling class".

Com'on. This isn't the feudal ages.
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« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2007, 09:56:17 PM »

America has no future because it doesn't haves a goal.

Back in 1991, I memorized this quote:

"America must do now its plans to be somewhere in 50 years or it will be nowhere in 50 years"




Too true....excellent point there Major Z
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« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2007, 06:37:49 AM »

The dollar is weakening against all other major currencies today. The euro has broken a new record last week against the dollar. maybe america is dying faster than we all know.
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