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I am curious if anyone has any theories on why France has been stepping up the war rhetoric. First there where the comments by Bernard Kouchner, the French Foreign Minister. And now warning French companies not to invest in Iran.
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2007, 01:55:40 AM » |
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I am curious if anyone has any theories on why France has been stepping up the war rhetoric. First there where the comments by Bernard Kouchner, the French Foreign Minister. And now warning French companies not to invest in Iran.
Sarkoma is a douchebag and it's showing his true colors, eventually, after the initial confussion about his policies. It really sucks that now the French governemnt aligns itself with the decaying corpse of Bush doctrine; here in Spain some people begins to see Sarkoma as a sort of French Aznar, which means bad bad news for French... |
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2007, 09:00:56 AM » |
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Dont read to much into it. France isnt pro war, not like Bush. They want to go down the sanctions and UN road, they are just sending a diplomatic warning to Iran. France wont comit to military action unless its a NATO or UN operation. Unlike bush.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2007, 09:48:56 AM » |
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I agree with the basic sentiment of what you think france is doing here....'cept why add this? : France isnt pro war, not like Bush. Really? France isn't pro-war? -They have the 3rd largest military budget in the world. -They are the forth largest arms exporter - with a very large caveat: they really have no problem selling tactical nuclear weapons. -They have the forth largest number of foreign troop deployments. Maybe France isn't 'pro-war' but they sure like it. Closer to the truth they are simply quieter about it. Ahk |
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2007, 10:06:19 AM » |
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agree with Akh
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2007, 05:24:36 PM » |
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Dont read to much into it. France isnt pro war, not like Bush. They want to go down the sanctions and UN road, they are just sending a diplomatic warning to Iran. France wont comit to military action unless its a NATO or UN operation. Unlike bush.
Iran has been taughting everyone and at the same time saying it can't be attacked because the US forces are tied up, and no one else will lead the way. So France shut them up and put the re-inforcement back on the table, and I think its scaring the hell out of Iran. I think you will see much better co-operation with the IAEA in the next few months (maybe even admitting it was researching a nuclear weapon and letting the IAEA oversee the facilities shut down). I also think France knows something that some don't, like how close Iran really is to a bomb. Either way smart move by France, the tough talk will work and save the world from what I think will be WWIII. |
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2007, 01:16:19 AM » |
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Thanks God, there is someone in Europe that is sending a very clear message to Iran: be very, very careful, Amadineyad!.
I'm not very pro-France -I just don't wanna talk about the way they treated ETA terrorists in the past- but for the first time, I gotta admit that I fully agree with Bernard Kouchner's words. I'm fed up of our nasty and dangerous european pusilanimity that is giving the world an impression of weakness .
Iran knows for sure what would happen if they dare to attack Israel. They got no doubt about Israel's answer. I hope Iran got the picture
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here in Spain some people begins to see Sarkoma as a sort of French Aznar, which means bad bad news for French...
Yes you are right. But on the other hand, there are many people in Spain who see Sarko as a man who is ready to control illegal inmigration, who is trying to get respect from pupils to the teacher at school, who is saying that this is Europe and we have to stand against those who just want to kill our values and our way of life. So I'm among those spaniards, a lot of them, who would be absolutely glad with Sarko leading Spain instead the puppet we do have rightnow as a PM. And yes, many of us see Sarko as some sort of french Aznar, which means very, very good news for France. And the most important news from Sarko is that France and it's values are gonna be defended to the last consecuences. Mr. Aznar meant the most profitable period from Spain since 1978, not only from an economic point of view, but he lead Spain into an international role we had lost since........I don't know....¿XVII century?
Good for Sarko and....................for France!
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2007, 01:37:02 AM » |
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<OT>Jabato, you know that Aznar's economic policy was a follow up of Pedro Solbes' policy, do you?  </OT> Anyway, I agree that Sarkoma is good news to some European. A few of them... |
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2007, 01:53:52 AM » |
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Major Zee Lee wrote:
Anyway, I agree that Sarkoma is good news to some European. A few of them...
Not so few, in Spain Sarko is a good news for at least 10 million people.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2007, 02:10:09 AM » |
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Anyway, I agree that Sarkoma is good news to some European. A few of them...
non militant stance from most of European countries made other countries use this " pederast-o-socialism " to quickly occupy those countries ,,, if France would remain happy wine drinking nation sooner or later they would end up with no land or nation,,, on other hand some Spanish will enjoy that,,, not sure you will be able to anti-war protest by then,,, there is no such thing as democracy for those who overtake your land,,, bottom line i'm not sure what worser sarcoma or birth brain malfunction ,,, |
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2007, 08:15:24 AM » |
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Major Zee Lee wrote:
Anyway, I agree that Sarkoma is good news to some European. A few of them...
Not so few, in Spain Sarko is a good news for at least 10 million people.
10 out of 44, not too bad... |
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2007, 05:33:20 PM » |
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Dont read to much into it. France isnt pro war, not like Bush. They want to go down the sanctions and UN road, they are just sending a diplomatic warning to Iran. France wont comit to military action unless its a NATO or UN operation. Unlike bush.
Iran has been taughting everyone and at the same time saying it can't be attacked because the US forces are tied up, and no one else will lead the way. So France shut them up and put the re-inforcement back on the table, and I think its scaring the hell out of Iran. I think you will see much better co-operation with the IAEA in the next few months (maybe even admitting it was researching a nuclear weapon and letting the IAEA oversee the facilities shut down). I also think France knows something that some don't, like how close Iran really is to a bomb. Either way smart move by France, the tough talk will work and save the world from what I think will be WWIII. No one want a war against Iran, but even less want a nuclear powerful Iran. I hope that Ira will stop their program soon otherwise there will be war. And this time Europe will be involved. Kouchner only said what is being said for some time. |
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2007, 03:02:38 PM » |
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I am curious if anyone has any theories on why France has been stepping up the war rhetoric. First there where the comments by Bernard Kouchner, the French Foreign Minister. And now warning French companies not to invest in Iran.
It didn't sound to me that he was advocating war, but simply stating that it was a last resort. That seems pretty simple to me. Sarkozy's France it attempting to fall a little bit more in line with the Americans for two reasons. One, he is trying to undo a lot of damage done when Chirac was President, and two, he knows that the elections are coming in America soon. Bush will soon be gone and our position will moderate. So, why not try to bridge the gap a little and butter up the next President by showing that the American leadership can depend on France's resolve? I don't think this is any more than France being a little more assertive and aligning themselves more with the US. France isn't going to go to war against Iran, but Sarkozy appears to understand the value of a united front on the issue. If France sits back and attempts to isolate the US, the Iran sees political victory. If France is more in line with American policy, then Iran has a bigger hill to climb. |
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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2007, 11:02:08 AM » |
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But saying that war is "the last resort" also means that it's not off the table.
War is always the last solution. What can you get after war or worse than that?
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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2007, 07:13:11 PM » |
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Fred,
I think it would be more accurate to say that France is just attempting to show solidarity with the Americans here. Instead of actively working against America, Sarkosy has chosen to work with America to disuade Iran from pursuing a nuclear program. Obviously, a fractured West arguing with one another is counterproductive to what our mutual goals are. Instead, France is aligning itself closer to the US position to present Iran with a united front.
I think the UN is a useless entity when it comes to Iran unfortunately. There are too many differing opinions and the West is facing both Russia and China who don't care about Iranian nuclear weapons one way or the other. If Iran is developing weapons, China and Russia won't discourage it.
Since the UN is useless here, US and EU sanctions will be the next round I imagine. That can put a fairly nasty squeeze on the Iranians, but probably won't have much of an effect. Their economy is in pretty bad shape, so this may be a move to try to foster some discontent with the population. It is a population, mind you, that isn't really all that happy with their government. Perhaps these are the opening shots of a regime change from within. Afterall, if the economy gets worse, the people of Iran will start demanding change.
That is of course speculation, but it would not be a bad move if done carefully.
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