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Fredledingue
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2007, 10:50:59 AM »

I don't think it was Sarkozy's goal to "align" France back along the US track even if it had this effect. They are just worried about a nuclear Iran, and we all see the power of unity in this affair.
You should read what Merkel is saying, it's not bad neither. Normal she is a woman, that's even worse than a half-jew Cheesy .

IMO Iran is going to step back silently, but with the incentives from Russia.
But they will never fall in the dishonnor of accepting the West's conditions.
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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2007, 06:56:28 AM »

Fred,
I think the UN is a useless entity when it comes to Iran unfortunately.  There are too many differing opinions and the West is facing both Russia and China who don't care about Iranian nuclear weapons one way or the other.  If Iran is developing weapons, China and Russia won't discourage it.

Cryto, I agree with that the UN has is a useless entity but not only in this regard but also whenever US feels that it has the right to veto the resolutions that are passsed against Israel and there are plenty of resolutions that they have trampled all over in the past.One can not be selective about these resolutions.
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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2007, 07:07:13 PM »

Cryto, I agree with that the UN has is a useless entity but not only in this regard but also whenever US feels that it has the right to veto the resolutions that are passsed against Israel and there are plenty of resolutions that they have trampled all over in the past.One can not be selective about these resolutions.

It isn't just the US.  Nations everywhere defy UN resolutions whenever they please.  The reason the UN is useless is because it is too inclusive.  Instead of becoming a body of nations working to solve world problems, it has become an official gathering place for any and every thug, dictator, and psychopath to use as a podium. 

The UN is a good idea - just poorly executed.  There are too many different opinions represented to get anything accomplished.  I know that sounds anti-democratic, and I don't mean to suggest that everyone should be made to agree.  However, the UN is no longer able to present a united front, and that makes it useless and irrelevant.

So, to turn back into the topic, I think France understands the importance of a united front when trying to achieve a specific objective.  The rhetoric used by France now is more harsh because the French do not want to appear as being at odds with the US on the Iranian nuclear issue.

United fronts are very important - especially when faced with global issues like nuclear proliferation, genocide, and human rights.
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2007, 01:02:52 AM »

Crypto, the problems with democracy are not resolved with LESS democracy. police

MOST of what UN actually does is humanitarian work. And MOST of what UN does actually works (we can't negate the UN is a functional way to assists human development and solve humanitarian crisis).

What does not work in the UN is peace keeping and conflict settlement, and guess what? This precisely are the parts of UN that are less than democratic, so figure what relationship there is between lack of democracy and lack of functionality...

What if the UN peace keeping and conflict settlement operacy was not handicapped by 7 self-appointed Nations Who Are More Equal Than Other who got a veto power? What if the Assembly was the REAL force instead of the Security Council of Nations more Equal, et cetera? What if a nation (ANY nation) had to face the resolutions of its 196 peers rather than just befriend ONE of the Nations More Equal and do as pleases as long as doesn't upsets its buddy?

What if the UN where internally democratic for a change?
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2007, 06:27:48 AM »

Actually some problems of democracy are resolved by less democracy.  A constitution for example, constrains democracy, limits it.  In this way it often protects the rights of the minority.  The purest form of democracy, after all, is a lynch mob.
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2007, 09:20:01 AM »

Actually some problems of democracy are resolved by less democracy.  A constitution for example, constrains democracy, limits it.  In this way it often protects the rights of the minority.  The purest form of democracy, after all, is a lynch mob.

I use to think the same just about liberty, not democracy...
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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2007, 12:59:31 PM »

same people who adopted the law mandating teachers to teach about the positive aspects of colonialism. La Grande France crowd nostalgetic for the glorious times of the Empire. Foreign policy is conducted through the rapidly moving batallions. Vive la France! Where there's a second Vietnam, there's a place for second Algeria.

Interesting that he, flesh and blood of the corporate folk, is undermining positions of the French Oil. Total Elf unhappy about the Iranian reception, or what? I wouldn't also discount Sarko's conscience of his Jewish origins.
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