Shehrazad
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« on: January 26, 2008, 01:08:56 AM » |
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Just a question, I saw that many agree and other disagree with public universities!
Do you approve the total cancellation of public universities? and what's the economic impact after such decisions?
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 12:25:11 PM » |
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Since both my son and I are graduates of public universities, my answer is a loud and resounding NO!
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 03:52:37 PM » |
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Privatizing all universities would prevent many people from being able to attend. Government subsidies for education are an essential component of the social safety net.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 04:05:21 PM » |
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Privatizing all universities would prevent many people from being able to attend. Government subsidies for education are an essential component of the social safety net.
Very true. OswaldTheOsprey
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 09:20:00 PM » |
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I don't see a benefit in privatizing universities... so why bother?
I go to a public universtiy and wouldn't want it any other way.
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2008, 11:50:01 PM » |
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Today, even with public colleges and universities the cost of education is often beyond the reach of many. My two oldest daughters, because of great grades, high scoring SATs and my position of being in the process of attending college as a single parent, at the time living on AFDC, were able to obtain fantastic scholarships to a very expensive and elite private university. The result was fantastic opportunities such as studying in Europe, Japan and even with one in Nepal with great opportunities to actually be involved in their field of study.
My MA is from a state university and is not worth so much in the work place as theirs were. Then my youngest daughter who only has an AA from a community college earns more than either of the others, one who is a professional and the other who never worked in the field of her study which was international relations with a focus on East Asia. The other works as an attorney, but for a public entity rather than in private practice, but in highly satisfying work. The one who worked her way up the corporate ladder with on the job learning has done better economically. But sometimes money shouldn't be the basis for judging the value of education.
Who can really say, but I suspect those such as me would not have the opportunity to have ever obtained the education I did had it not been for an, at that time, free community college and a state university. Interestingly, my youngest granddaughter whose father (her parents are divorced) has a very affluent father and a 1 million dollar trust fund for her undergraduate education. At this point the university she is most interested in is a state one.
Sorry for my rambling on about family, but maybe it is those life experiences that in the end are the most valid in making such comparisons? One would hope for the time when equality of opportunity would allow any who were willing to work and study the ability to attend college and obtain at the least an undergraduate degree. BTW, I went back to teach for 8 years at the community college I graduated from among many of the instructors that I had studied with. It was a terrific experience.
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2008, 08:56:33 AM » |
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I agree with Oswald, public universities are able to play a key role in education devlopment if they find the necessary support, country like France and Germany are good examples!- I'm not american however my uncle was teaching in Minnesota University, and it seems not bad! The matter with private orgs, is that even using strong marketing unlike public univ, they still ruthless in term of finance- some girls are all-set to sell their bodies in order to pay invoices . 
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2008, 10:16:17 AM » |
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The matter with private orgs, is that even using strong marketing unlike public univ, they still ruthless in term of finance- some girls are all-set to sell their bodies in order to pay invoices .  Now where does something like this come from? Ignorance? A desire to start flaming? Since you didn't source it, one would assume you are fabricating it. My patience with this latest incarnation of you Untouchables is wearing thin....
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2008, 10:25:40 AM » |
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Are you fine Biker Dude?! 
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2008, 01:34:25 PM » |
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I'm generally against the idea of private education.
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2008, 02:15:06 PM » |
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I'm generally against the idea of private education. My wife teaches for the LAUSD. Not one of the vast number of Teachers we know has their kids in a public school. Not one. Public Universities though, are a completely different animal.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2008, 03:12:44 PM » |
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The matter with private orgs, is that even using strong marketing unlike public univ, they still ruthless in term of finance- some girls are all-set to sell their bodies in order to pay invoices This is what they tell people in Iran: "Oh sure if you're a woman and you want to get as educated as a man in the US you can do it, but you have to prostitute yourself. All Western women are, of course, prostitutes"Ahk
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2008, 03:30:55 PM » |
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ROTFL, Akh. Please qualify that to "all Western married women." However, that too is a fallacy, but I very much enjoy your sense of humor, I think. Some of us though are old enough to remember when some families only sent girls to college to hopefully get their MRS. with, hopefully, a guy who, because of his education would be in the end more affluent. Obviously, in that case private colleges and universities might be the best choice. 
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2008, 07:30:31 PM » |
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Cass, it's better than what I was going to say which was something along the lines of, "Just because she says's she's working her way through college doesn't necessarily mean she's going to college", but i know I would've been skinned for it, so i didn't.  Some of us though are old enough to remember when some families only sent girls to college to hopefully get their MRS. with, hopefully, a guy who, because of his education would be in the end more affluent. I'm not that old. (opps. sorry) But I'm smart. I'm perceptive. I don’t abide by the ol’ ”well it might be true but he shouldn’t say it”. Never understood that one. When I was in university it was a newer generation and many of them were kinda looking for husbands too although they'd sooner be photographed taking a crap and eating Oreos than admit it. Madonna did the "movement" no favors. Brought it back nearly 50 years with the old, "If I wanna use my body to get ahead that's my choice too."I kinda wished Cindy Lauper would usurp her but it never happened. However my university was very male dominated, and still is if you consider subject. For example it's okay for a woman to teach art or anthropology but not physics or psychology. I have no idea why. Ahk
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2008, 11:44:49 PM » |
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Just a question, I saw that many agree and other disagree with public universities!
Do you approve the total cancellation of public universities? Shehr.
Who is arguing for total cancellation of all public universities?
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