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Author Topic: Foreclosures up 115% in August  (Read 307 times)
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« on: September 18, 2007, 08:46:17 AM »

The number of foreclosure filings in August are up 115% from one year ago, and jumped more than 36% from just last month:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297157,00.html


I don't understand why we're talking about O.J. Simpson, and Brittany Spears' kids, and Warren Jeffs instead of the fact that currently 1 in every 500 Americans are already in the process of losing their home with the worst yet to come. This is a huge problem people, and it is setting up the country for an economic catastrophe.

It seems that there is this attitude that all of these foreclosures are other peoples' problems and that its not going to affect the broader enconomy as a whole - which of course couldn't be further from the truth.

What people are really failing to consider is that the fact that these foreclosures have already had such a negative impact on the economy that the feds are being forced today to cut rates in order to ward off another potential recession - and we are just in the very BEGINNING stages of the full crisis.

We are at the very first beginning of the formula that has caused the foreclosures we have seen so far. All of these foreclosures are almost exclusively "subprime" and "Alt-A" Adjustable Rate Mortgages (ARM) that had low fixed intro "teaser" rates for the first 2, 3, or 5 years of the loan after which the rate (and subsequently payment) skyrocketed. The foreclosures we are seeing right now were among the very first subprime and Alt-A ARMs that were originated at the beginning of the refinance boom which began in 2003 and peaked in 2005.

We seeing a few hundred thousand foreclosures wrecking havoc on the economy right now (mostly ARMs originated in 2003). But the fact is millions of these loans were originated in between 2004 and 2006 that are set to adjust in 2008-2010. With the housing market not forecasted to rebound until at least 2009, almost every one of these people are certain not to be able to refinance or sell their home to escape this foreclosure trap.

The net economic effect of very large sustained home loss among middle class Americans over an extended period of several years potentially totaling in the millions is truly incomprehenisble. Aside from the obvious, this will without question dramatically affect you personally. Don't believe me?

Have you had your home appraised recently? If not, you're certainly in for a shock. Unless you live in a tiny select handful of counties in the United States, the best way to determine your current property value is to take what you "think" your home is worth, (or what it last appraised for) and immediately reduce that number by at least 10% if you live in the midwest, at least 15% if you live in the Northeast or the South, at least 25% if you live in Florida, and at least 30% if you live in California. Now that's just for certified appraisal purposes. If you would like to sell your home right now in any reasonable amount of time, you will need to reduce those numbers by even more. In other words, for the vast majority of people you can take whatever equity you "think" you have in your home and throw it out the window. If you purchased your home within the last 5 years, you can consider yourself very lucky is worth today what you paid for it. In most cases, its worth less. In some cases, its worth considerably less.

This is all due to foreclosures, pre-foreclosures, and fire sales. The value of real estate is determined by qualified buyers and what they are willing to spend. Right now there are relatively few qualified buyers in the marketplace. This is because of uncertainity and because it is much harder to get mortgage financing. Why would someone pay market value for your home when chances are they can find a similiar home in either a foreclosure or fire sale being sold for considerably less than market value? Why would a qualified buyer purchase your "used" home when chances are they can find a builder willing to offload a brand new model or spec home similiar to yours for next-to-nothing just to get from underneath the construction loan and property taxes the builder is paying on it? This is pretty much the case for every major metro area in the country right now and its driving down the prices of ALL of our homes and evaporating our perceived equity.

Tell you what, if you are really interested (and if its okay with the moderators) you can PM me your address and I will tell you what your home is worth right now. I have an extremely expensive software program we use to establish a home's value for the purposes of lending money on that home. The program pulls recent sales (last 3-6 months) of comparable homes (same room count, sq. footage, style, construction, age, & quality) in your subdivision and/or general area. This is the same exact program licensed appraisers use to perform certified valuations and appraisals. 

If you're anything like every client we're talking to right now, you'll be sick to your stomach.               
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2007, 09:01:07 AM »

YES, this is the tip of the Iceberg. And yes it will have drastic repercussions later. Hopefully any idiots out there with ARMS are refinancing them now into fixed rates. Not sure if this will help and it definitly WILL NOT help sub prime borrowers who will not qualify for such refinancing.

BUT what can the government do? Or is that what you are calling for? The banks have got to know that by forclosing on all these houses they are screwing themselves with the way house prices are bottoming out, they are bound to be as cooperative as possible when working with people.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2007, 09:40:33 AM »

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BUT what can the government do? Or is that what you are calling for? The banks have got to know that by forclosing on all these houses they are screwing themselves with the way house prices are bottoming out, they are bound to be as cooperative as possible when working with people.

There are a lot of options the government could excerise the sooth the financial effect. The problem is nobody is really talking about this. Its buried in the business section of every news outlet and whenever it is discussed, it's always in terms of "how" it happened instead of what can we do now to address it.


BTW - I sent you a PM with your value, and yes, more than likely we will be at BWW this Friday. I'll confirm that for sure on IAP this Friday but I'm sure we'll be there.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2007, 10:04:54 AM »

Not my ho8use atually, its my cousines. She will be happy to know she is not in as bad of shape as she could be and she is NOT in an ARM so she should weather ok.
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2007, 12:58:22 PM »

DrudgeReport.com had a snipit on the front page, but his leading story is OJ Simpson and FOXnews can't get enough of him and I'm sure the other outlets are the same.

I'm about to lose my mind.

There are more important things going on then OJ Simpson... and they are ALL far more important.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2007, 01:39:50 PM »

DrudgeReport.com had a snipit on the front page, but his leading story is OJ Simpson and FOXnews can't get enough of him and I'm sure the other outlets are the same.

I'm about to lose my mind.

There are more important things going on then OJ Simpson... and they are ALL far more important.


Tell me about it. It's disgusting. I just checked each site, and here are the lead stories from the 3 biggest cable news outlets...

CNN - "O.J. Simpson Charged; Accuser Hospitalized"

FOX News - "Tased and Confused: University launches probe of tasing incident"

MSNBC - "Mortgage Help?"

Thank God for MSNBC. At least they try. But I swear, the most relevant news I obtain these days is from The Daily Show. How sad is that? 
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2007, 02:00:54 PM »

Actually... the Daily Show *IS* (I think) the best source for unbiased and realistic news. I think it's ironic... not sad.

These surge stories completely erase the news. It's like NOTHING else happens for about a week. Same thing happens when Sen. Craig or another politician does something stupid.

Not to change the point of your thread... but the Jena 6... Israel's attack on Syria... even Greenspan's criticism of Bush's economic policies. These are all VERY important issues that seem to stay away from the spotlight. There are too many people who don't know what's going on in this world... and it's disgusting.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2007, 03:32:24 PM »

MSNBC is the best IMO. But that's not saying much. Check out my thread in the paid member's area to see what they can do (that's right, pay up bitches).
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2007, 08:02:26 PM »

I think this housing drop NEEDS to happen. I know people like to complain about the gap between the classes, If the government bails these people out it will only reinforce or even widen the gap. The dream of many people to own a house is a pipe dream in many area. if you make 75K a year you can afford a 250K house. 75K is above the median income of a 4 person family, But in many area there is no such thing as a 250K 3 bedroom house. I believe the Market needs to normalize on this issue if "the American Dream" will ever be attainable by many people. If we are going to cast blame on this I blame the "flippers" and the mortgage companies and banks that finance all these ARMS, teaser rate and interest only loans.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2007, 09:00:41 AM »

We just bought this house a few months ago for much less than it was appraised at, so we did pretty good. We also went through a family member who is a mortgage broker and another family member who is a real estate agent and they forfeited their fees, which we really appreciated. It is really the best thing that could have happened for our kids. Now they have their own rooms and a yard, and even though the house was built in the 20's it's in excellent shape with many upgrades and the last people who lived here were professional painters. It really doesn't get any better than that. The most difficult thing about it was removing the ugly border and wallpaper, but when we're done with it it will be neutrally move-in ready for the next buyers. That'll be in about 5-10 years, hopefully.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2007, 12:05:52 PM »

Wow, 2112... you really lucked out.

We've been in the same house for almost 16 years now. It was a brand new neighborhood and the second house to be made. The first family moved away so we're technically the oldest family there... and boy have we seen people come and go, but generally it was the same house... so I wonder if something is wrong with those.

Anyway, now that I'm at school and my sister is moved out... I'm sure my parents think it's a little big. We have 2 dogs, but they have been thinking of moving to a farm house (belonged to my great grandparents) we have down state... but that's a few years off.

We've done a lot to our house - extended the deck, put in a brick patio and a staircase (with a landing) to the back yard, a 10' x 15' shed, some landscaping and a fence for the whole back yard.

It was expensive... but I'm sure the re-sale will be WELL whorth it, though.
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