Terry Mathis
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2007, 07:07:15 PM » |
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In fact those in the know understand that the war will last at least another 20 years because the people's resolve shows no sign of being destroyed. In a nutshell, the oil is essential for the US. Americans who want to be apoligists for their country's foreign policies can put it down to security, which of course it is in the proper sense. "Those in the know"? I guess that's you, eh? The Republicans in the Senate are able to block all legislation reversing our occupation of Iraq. I believe that the U.S. will not begin serious plans for leaving Iraq until January, 2009, when the new Democratic president, probably Hillary Clinton, is installed in office. No, I don't refer to myself as one of those in the know who are telling the truth about Iraq. Now if you want to make a name for yourself and debate the issue with me, how about showing me where Hilary has made a claim that she will get the troops out of Iraq. Then I'll show you several references to her stating clearly that it won't happen. You'll get a reputation of being able to debate with me and that will put you into my league where I will pay attention to you. If you fail then I will know that you are just another prostitute or an uninformed administrator. You have already made a name for yourself on the Boards and you are found wanting sunshine. Consider yourself ignored like any idiot that thinks his dick is big and waddling in here. Just go, to a universe far, far away.  T. |
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2007, 07:10:15 PM » |
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In fact those in the know understand that the war will last at least another 20 years because the people's resolve shows no sign of being destroyed. In a nutshell, the oil is essential for the US. Americans who want to be apoligists for their country's foreign policies can put it down to security, which of course it is in the proper sense. "Those in the know"? I guess that's you, eh? The Republicans in the Senate are able to block all legislation reversing our occupation of Iraq. I believe that the U.S. will not begin serious plans for leaving Iraq until January, 2009, when the new Democratic president, probably Hillary Clinton, is installed in office. Dream on Dream on! |
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2007, 07:20:05 PM » |
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In fact those in the know understand that the war will last at least another 20 years because the people's resolve shows no sign of being destroyed. In a nutshell, the oil is essential for the US. Americans who want to be apoligists for their country's foreign policies can put it down to security, which of course it is in the proper sense. "Those in the know"? I guess that's you, eh? The Republicans in the Senate are able to block all legislation reversing our occupation of Iraq. I believe that the U.S. will not begin serious plans for leaving Iraq until January, 2009, when the new Democratic president, probably Hillary Clinton, is installed in office. Actually, I thought he was referring to General Tommy Franks. Maybe I'm just a glass half empty kind of guy, but I have serious doubts about how quickly President Clinton's withdrawal will begin. TBH, I have serious doubts that we'll be out of Iraq by the time she leaves office. You would be safe in having serious doubts about whether the US will be out of Iran when the following president takes over from Clinton. The resolve of the Iraqi people to drive the occupiers from their country is even hardening as we speak and of course the US can't possibly leave without first installing a US sympathetic government with the military teeth to keep it that way. 20 years or more is accurate and most politicians running for president understand that very well now. Any one of them that claims otherwise is pulling the murican people's legs. On second thought, I'm pretty sure you weren't referring to Gen. Franks. |
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2007, 08:20:37 PM » |
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In fact those in the know understand that the war will last at least another 20 years because the people's resolve shows no sign of being destroyed. In a nutshell, the oil is essential for the US. Americans who want to be apoligists for their country's foreign policies can put it down to security, which of course it is in the proper sense. "Those in the know"? I guess that's you, eh? The Republicans in the Senate are able to block all legislation reversing our occupation of Iraq. I believe that the U.S. will not begin serious plans for leaving Iraq until January, 2009, when the new Democratic president, probably Hillary Clinton, is installed in office. No, I don't refer to myself as one of those in the know who are telling the truth about Iraq. Now if you want to make a name for yourself and debate the issue with me, how about showing me where Hilary has made a claim that she will get the troops out of Iraq. Then I'll show you several references to her stating clearly that it won't happen. You'll get a reputation of being able to debate with me and that will put you into my league where I will pay attention to you. If you fail then I will know that you are just another prostitute or an uninformed administrator. You have already made a name for yourself on the Boards and you are found wanting sunshine. Consider yourself ignored like any idiot that thinks his dick is big and waddling in here. Just go, to a universe far, far away. T. Does that mean that you can't take me up on my challenge either? Gee Terry, you're rather disappointing too. And you do seem quite angry too! Is it something I said Terry? |
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2007, 08:43:32 PM » |
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I'd take up your challange.... But I already have the Hillary quotes you speak of. So I know you're right.
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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2007, 08:52:41 PM » |
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I'd take up your challange.... But I already have the Hillary quotes you speak of. So I know you're right.
The reality is that once you post those quotes, jpn will run off and not come back to the thread.
Sorry Totino but I don't quite understand your post because I didn't challenge you. And being new here I don't know if you're one of the 'good' guys or not. You'll have to explain further. Are the quotes you have ones which show that Hilary has no intention of ending the war? I'd be surprised because none of the sleazy politicians would want to come right out and be honest about it. I was alluding to the fact that she's more in favour of pretending to want a schedule for drawing down an insignificant number. In any case all the peoples bubbles will be broken soon when it becomes obvious that the Dems are only playing a political game against the Repubs as long as they can. What the American people need to do is come out loud and strong with a voice demanding that some politician take a stand for ending the war. Not more bullshit, a real proclamation. That's not going to happen unfortunately. Ron Paul is more or less saying it but he's a fool and doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting anywhere. And if he did then he would have to quickly change his tune. |
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2007, 08:55:00 PM » |
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Are the quotes you have ones which show that Hilary has no intention of ending the war? Correct.... |
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2007, 08:58:44 PM » |
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Are the quotes you have ones which show that Hilary has no intention of ending the war? Correct.... You should post or link them. I don't need convincing, but I'd be interested to see them. |
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2007, 09:07:19 PM » |
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Are the quotes you have ones which show that Hilary has no intention of ending the war? Correct.... Thanks Totino, I'm getting the impression that you must be one of the sane good guys! The denialist warmonger side sure are angry little piggies eh! |
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2007, 09:20:10 PM » |
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Are the quotes you have ones which show that Hilary has no intention of ending the war? Correct.... You should post or link them. I don't need convincing, but I'd be interested to see them. The lady chances her mind every month. First it was no time table should be set. Then it was we need a time table. Then it was I want the troops withdrawn today. And it was "No no, some troops will have to remain". It's so damn hard to keep track. Here are some quotes, and an article from the NYT that points out her flipflop: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/04/us/politics/04clinton.html?ex=1343880000&en=1e18283a1cc83cb2&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rssshe declared that it would be a mistake to set a “date certain” for withdrawing American troops from Iraq. But before another Democratic audience last month in Des Moines, Mrs. Clinton drew applause when she declared that it was time to begin “ending this war — not next year, not next month, but today.” And some more quotes for you that are more so of a flipflop: "We need to stop refereeing the war, and start getting out now." " bring our troops home, that would be the very first thing I would do as President" "Senator Clinton explained why she believes Congress must now set a deadline, March 31, 2008, as a goal for U.S. combat troops to leave Iraq" And now the flip From the NYT " some G.I's in Iraq would remain if she took office (President)" "I don’t believe it’s smart to set a date for withdrawal" Read here aswell: http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/2/8/130258.shtmlShe has done a couple flip flops... From no timetable for Iraq, to a timetable. From complete withdrawl, to leaving some troops. It's just very hard to keep track. Anyways, I got into a big fight with JPN or Buzz about this on the old forum. I'm trying to search it to find more quotes as we speak. |
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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2007, 09:21:25 PM » |
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Are the quotes you have ones which show that Hilary has no intention of ending the war? Correct.... Thanks Totino, I'm getting the impression that you must be one of the sane good guys! The denialist warmonger side sure are angry little piggies eh! Feel free to post more quotes if you'd like. You may have some more. |
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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2007, 09:56:50 PM » |
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Are the quotes you have ones which show that Hilary has no intention of ending the war? Correct.... Thanks Totino, I'm getting the impression that you must be one of the sane good guys! The denialist warmonger side sure are angry little piggies eh! Feel free to post more quotes if you'd like. You may have some more. Naw, I was just bluffing but I knew that there were some to be had if I needed them. I knew none of the chickenhawks would have the balls to challenge me. They're just as illinformed about their politicians as they are about the real reasons for their war. |
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2007, 01:39:00 AM » |
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I don't have any direct experience with Blackwater either, but I imagine the Soldiers and Marines that believe in their cause would not exit the military to join Blackwater.
its not about the cause all the time...its about being underpaid and Blackwater pays very well. |
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Terry Mathis
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2007, 01:44:14 AM » |
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I don't have any direct experience with Blackwater either, but I imagine the Soldiers and Marines that believe in their cause would not exit the military to join Blackwater.
its not about the cause all the time...its about being underpaid and Blackwater pays very well. Agreed. Why make $30K-60K a year when you can make that in one month in the Mercenary market!  Warm regards Terry . |
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