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« on: September 18, 2007, 05:32:55 PM » |
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/17/iraq.main/no more? PMCs definitely have their costs and benefits...what are you thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2007, 06:46:54 PM » |
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Very interesting development. The Maliki government is hanging by a thread. The Blackwater incident is getting a large amount of play in the Iraq media and Maliki needs to be seen to be standing up for the Iraqi people.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2007, 04:54:35 PM » |
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The US will force Maliki to abide by their wishes as they always do and I think just a temporary suspension of Blackwater will be all that results.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2007, 06:31:11 PM » |
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I believe Blackwater should go for go for 2 reasons:
1) It is the wish of the legitimately elected Iraqi government.
2) If we force Malaki to back off his position it will only make him look weak an he can't afford that...we can't afford that.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2007, 10:22:04 AM » |
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Apparently the Government and Blackwater have reached a compromise (Blacwater PROTECTS the government.
The people from Blackwater who killed innocent civilians will be charged with murder and Blackwater stays. AFAIK
Terry
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2007, 09:30:17 AM » |
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Apparently the Government and Blackwater have reached a compromise (Blacwater PROTECTS the government.
The people from Blackwater who killed innocent civilians will be charged with murder and Blackwater stays. AFAIK
Terry
Pretty good analysis Terry but not quite. The US will have to move on the individuals in order to put this issue down. A couple of guilty parties may be singled out and they will be slipped out of the country for a mock trial in the US in which they will receive a wristslap. Instead of execution by lethal injection which of course is the US way of dealing with some murderers. The upside of these murders, if there could be any, is that it just discredits the US occupation more and hardens the Iraqi resolve to rid their country of the US plague. |
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2007, 09:35:52 AM » |
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I'm into some milisim with a few guys who've been over to Iraq. They've worked with blackwater guys. From what I hear the guys in blackwater were all of the problem children in the military. It's all about the money. You can't trust any of the blackwater guys to watch your back. They have no loyalty. They'll stab their own members in the back to save their own skin.... Blackwater is one of the biggest, but one of the worst PMCs.
This is all hearsay of course. But that's what I've heard from 4 or 5 prior service guys.
Guess I'll have to agree with Terry.
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2007, 09:39:17 AM » |
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Of course all you people have heard the latest and know that there is a video which shows that Blackwater started the shooting? Check Huffpost
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2007, 10:31:51 AM » |
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I'm into some milisim with a few guys who've been over to Iraq. They've worked with blackwater guys. From what I hear the guys in blackwater were all of the problem children in the military. It's all about the money. You can't trust any of the blackwater guys to watch your back. They have no loyalty. They'll stab their own members in the back to save their own skin.... Blackwater is one of the biggest, but one of the worst PMCs.
This is all hearsay of course. But that's what I've heard from 4 or 5 prior service guys.
Guess I'll have to agree with Terry.
I don't have any direct experience with Blackwater either, but I imagine the Soldiers and Marines that believe in their cause would not exit the military to join Blackwater. |
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2007, 10:49:50 AM » |
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thief is right. If Bush allows Blackwater to stay AGAINST the wishes of Al Maliki it's political fodder for Democrats. If he takes them away it may create a military and/or social issue later on.
He's in a lose-lose situation right now... and has no Karl Rove to "spin" it.
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2007, 11:07:29 AM » |
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thief is right. If Bush allows Blackwater to stay AGAINST the wishes of Al Maliki it's political fodder for Democrats. If he takes them away it may create a military and/or social issue later on.
He's in a lose-lose situation right now... and has no Karl Rove to "spin" it.
It will be spun and Blackwater will remain in Iraq. As of course it's absolutely essential that the US remains in Iraq. Those who pay attention to the politics of the Democrats will recognize that even they are not advocating an end to the war. Those who do pay attention closely will understand that unless the resolve of the Iraqi people to rid their country of the occupiers is destroyed by such brutality that they can no longer bear to hold up, the war will continue indefinitely. In fact those in the know understand that the war will last at least another 20 years because the people's resolve shows no sign of being destroyed. In a nutshell, the oil is essential for the US. Americans who want to be apoligists for their country's foreign policies can put it down to security, which of course it is in the proper sense. |
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2007, 05:10:21 PM » |
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In fact those in the know understand that the war will last at least another 20 years because the people's resolve shows no sign of being destroyed. In a nutshell, the oil is essential for the US. Americans who want to be apoligists for their country's foreign policies can put it down to security, which of course it is in the proper sense. "Those in the know"? I guess that's you, eh? The Republicans in the Senate are able to block all legislation reversing our occupation of Iraq. I believe that the U.S. will not begin serious plans for leaving Iraq until January, 2009, when the new Democratic president, probably Hillary Clinton, is installed in office. |
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2007, 05:17:05 PM » |
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In fact those in the know understand that the war will last at least another 20 years because the people's resolve shows no sign of being destroyed. In a nutshell, the oil is essential for the US. Americans who want to be apoligists for their country's foreign policies can put it down to security, which of course it is in the proper sense. "Those in the know"? I guess that's you, eh? The Republicans in the Senate are able to block all legislation reversing our occupation of Iraq. I believe that the U.S. will not begin serious plans for leaving Iraq until January, 2009, when the new Democratic president, probably Hillary Clinton, is installed in office. No, I don't refer to myself as one of those in the know who are telling the truth about Iraq. Now if you want to make a name for yourself and debate the issue with me, how about showing me where Hilary has made a claim that she will get the troops out of Iraq. Then I'll show you several references to her stating clearly that it won't happen. You'll get a reputation of being able to debate with me and that will put you into my league where I will pay attention to you. If you fail then I will know that you are just another prostitute or an uninformed administrator. |
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2007, 05:19:23 PM » |
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In fact those in the know understand that the war will last at least another 20 years because the people's resolve shows no sign of being destroyed. In a nutshell, the oil is essential for the US. Americans who want to be apoligists for their country's foreign policies can put it down to security, which of course it is in the proper sense. "Those in the know"? I guess that's you, eh? The Republicans in the Senate are able to block all legislation reversing our occupation of Iraq. I believe that the U.S. will not begin serious plans for leaving Iraq until January, 2009, when the new Democratic president, probably Hillary Clinton, is installed in office. Actually, I thought he was referring to General Tommy Franks. Maybe I'm just a glass half empty kind of guy, but I have serious doubts about how quickly President Clinton's withdrawal will begin. TBH, I have serious doubts that we'll be out of Iraq by the time she leaves office. |
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2007, 05:25:51 PM » |
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In fact those in the know understand that the war will last at least another 20 years because the people's resolve shows no sign of being destroyed. In a nutshell, the oil is essential for the US. Americans who want to be apoligists for their country's foreign policies can put it down to security, which of course it is in the proper sense. "Those in the know"? I guess that's you, eh? The Republicans in the Senate are able to block all legislation reversing our occupation of Iraq. I believe that the U.S. will not begin serious plans for leaving Iraq until January, 2009, when the new Democratic president, probably Hillary Clinton, is installed in office. Actually, I thought he was referring to General Tommy Franks. Maybe I'm just a glass half empty kind of guy, but I have serious doubts about how quickly President Clinton's withdrawal will begin. TBH, I have serious doubts that we'll be out of Iraq by the time she leaves office. You would be safe in having serious doubts about whether the US will be out of Iran when the following president takes over from Clinton. The resolve of the Iraqi people to drive the occupiers from their country is even hardening as we speak and of course the US can't possibly leave without first installing a US sympathetic government with the military teeth to keep it that way. 20 years or more is accurate and most politicians running for president understand that very well now. Any one of them that claims otherwise is pulling the murican people's legs. |
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