Okay, give me $20 and I will sit at home on election day.

I was kidding. You can't buy my non-vote.

Ryan, I agree with your general philosophy on critics and doers as outlined in your post, but you are incorrect in your assessment of Neo and you are making your post too personal. BTW Neo is extremely successful in real life, as you are as well 

The point Neo is trying to make is that most political speeches are written by speech writers and it is the actions of politicians that count rather than what they say. In other words, "Show me the money". Actions speaker louder than words. This is general thrust of what he is saying.

Look, I agree with you that Obama presents extremely well. I was in the US in december and just the bits I saw, I thought Obama ran rings around his opponents in general debate. He is a quick thinker on his feet, he oozes charm and charisma,says all the right things and is obviously an intelligent guy. His background of where he came from to get to where he is now speaks volumes about him too and can be used as a great role model.

I acknowledge all of this, but similiar to Neo, I am cynical of governments and politicians. Doesn't have anything to do with underachieving, just has to do with their poor track record of honesty and transperancy as a whole. Maybe obama will be different though.

Well, as you don't know anything about Neo whatsoever, any "personal" remarks or observations you make about him should not be taken seriously.



What evidence does Neo need to produce? He was making a personal observation about what he thinks about Obama's campaign. Here is what he said;


Note the use of the words "I personally" and "me". He is giving an opinion about something . You have taken one persons opinion on an election campaign and gone on a personal rant and rave 



Um, you missed the Jerry Maguire reference. What I was saying is that it doesn't matter what any politician says before thet get into office, its what they do when they get into office that matters. If Obama gets into office and does everything he says he would, fantastic, all the power to him. But some people like to judge him on what he does, rather than his promises.




Ryan, you are looking for meanings and arguments in peoples posts which arn't there. You are doing this with Neo and now with me. I was giving examples of why I thought Obama would win. If you want to construe it as critisizing his policies or agenda, then fine go ahead. But you would be incorrect in doing so. All my posts about Obama on here have been positive.




I didn't say that. Once again you are misreading the context of my post. My point was that many people wait to see the performance of the politician once elected before making a judgement. If you want to judge him now, that is fine, but some people like to wait.

With Obama getting elected, it is not guaranteed what he'll do, though I'm sure he'll be a thousand percent better than this president at caring about the people at the bottom.

However, if Hillary gets elected, we already know that the Clintons know how to balance a budget and know what to expect going in. That's actually one of my main reasons for supporting the Clintons. If and when Hillary drops out I will support Obama. If Hillary and Obama were to team up after the nominee is announced, they should have no problems getting elected over McCain.

Neo; You seem to believe that cynicism makes you appear smarter... Well all it really does is to make make you look afraid .

in 1994 or 2010? There are many intervening variable besides the Clinton couple's aptitude for figures. The trade deficit will hardly be affected by personalities. The fall of the dollar. The outsourcing. The aging of the populace. Macroeconomical structural factors have a contempt for personalities.