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« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2008, 12:19:45 AM »

There are also MANY markets that a Clinton (or Obama) administration will take advantage of that other oil ladden Republicans wouldn't touch with a 20 foot pole.

Namely this new, big "green" market of low energy or renwable energy products and technologies. Any other person whorth half his soul would have participated. Just like Bill rode the dot com bubble to a surplus, Bush could have hopped on board this one.

But he didn't.

Why?

I'll give you one guess.

Because the dopt com burst that created a recession because it was buuilt on no earning at all was bad for the country?
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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2008, 01:20:38 AM »

There are also MANY markets that a Clinton (or Obama) administration will take advantage of that other oil ladden Republicans wouldn't touch with a 20 foot pole.

Namely this new, big "green" market of low energy or renwable energy products and technologies. Any other person whorth half his soul would have participated. Just like Bill rode the dot com bubble to a surplus, Bush could have hopped on board this one.

But he didn't.

Why?

I'll give you one guess.

Because the dopt com burst that created a recession because it was buuilt on no earning at all was bad for the country?
No pathetic here is a hint ...it starts with an O and it ends with an L and it has an I in the middle.
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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2008, 06:21:18 AM »

Honestly, I really don't know what it is Obama stands for. Change? What Change? Transformation? What? Bringing people together? Huh? I have no clue what he specifically actually stands for and I don't think his voting record will reveal anything. He's running on a rockstar platform and this video that this thread is about is extremely pretentious. So I guess basically what he's running on is charisma and blackness (which is a change, obviously). The dream of being black and powerful, which is what a lot of people need. Just like Hillary is running on being a woman.

Bill said that he will let Hillary have her cabinet and that he will stay out of it except to let Hillary bounce ideas off of him like he did her. And that he will let her fight her own battles. You really can't argue that Clinton will know what to expect going in on day one and Obama will not. He will have a learning curb no matter what it is he actually stands for. In the 90's, people had little to bitch about and yet they complained anyway. In 92 people were bitching about how we had the largest deficit in history and AIDS... basically they sounded very similar to what people are saying now. So Bill at the time was the rockstar, just like Obama is now, and he kicked Bush out of the White House and stayed in for 8 years. The economy did get better under his 'rule', spin it any way you want.

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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2008, 06:50:51 PM »

Honestly, I really don't know what it is Obama stands for. Change? What Change? Transformation? What? Bringing people together? Huh? I have no clue what he specifically actually stands for and I don't think his voting record will reveal anything. He's running on a rockstar platform and this video that this thread is about is extremely pretentious. So I guess basically what he's running on is charisma and blackness (which is a change, obviously). The dream of being black and powerful, which is what a lot of people need. Just like Hillary is running on being a woman.

Bill said that he will let Hillary have her cabinet and that he will stay out of it except to let Hillary bounce ideas off of him like he did her. And that he will let her fight her own battles. You really can't argue that Clinton will know what to expect going in on day one and Obama will not. He will have a learning curb no matter what it is he actually stands for. In the 90's, people had little to bitch about and yet they complained anyway. In 92 people were bitching about how we had the largest deficit in history and AIDS... basically they sounded very similar to what people are saying now. So Bill at the time was the rockstar, just like Obama is now, and he kicked Bush out of the White House and stayed in for 8 years. The economy did get better under his 'rule', spin it any way you want.


Have you actually watched the debates or his speeches?
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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2008, 07:46:15 PM »

There are also MANY markets that a Clinton (or Obama) administration will take advantage of that other oil ladden Republicans wouldn't touch with a 20 foot pole.

Namely this new, big "green" market of low energy or renwable energy products and technologies. Any other person whorth half his soul would have participated. Just like Bill rode the dot com bubble to a surplus, Bush could have hopped on board this one.

But he didn't.

Why?

I'll give you one guess.

Because the dopt com burst that created a recession because it was buuilt on no earning at all was bad for the country?

Way to miss the point, Reaganite Roll Eyes .

Do you really think with the inevitable consumption of all fossil fuels on the planet, the alternative energy market is a "non earner"?
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« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2008, 05:53:42 AM »

Honestly, I really don't know what it is Obama stands for. Change? What Change? Transformation? What? Bringing people together? Huh? I have no clue what he specifically actually stands for and I don't think his voting record will reveal anything. He's running on a rockstar platform and this video that this thread is about is extremely pretentious. So I guess basically what he's running on is charisma and blackness (which is a change, obviously). The dream of being black and powerful, which is what a lot of people need. Just like Hillary is running on being a woman.

Bill said that he will let Hillary have her cabinet and that he will stay out of it except to let Hillary bounce ideas off of him like he did her. And that he will let her fight her own battles. You really can't argue that Clinton will know what to expect going in on day one and Obama will not. He will have a learning curb no matter what it is he actually stands for. In the 90's, people had little to bitch about and yet they complained anyway. In 92 people were bitching about how we had the largest deficit in history and AIDS... basically they sounded very similar to what people are saying now. So Bill at the time was the rockstar, just like Obama is now, and he kicked Bush out of the White House and stayed in for 8 years. The economy did get better under his 'rule', spin it any way you want.


Have you actually watched the debates or his speeches?

Yes and I'm not very impressed. He stutters, avoids answering questions, and talks a good talk with no specifics as to what he'll actually do as president. Now, Hillary is also guilty of not answering questions asked to her, but her answers are always better. I think it's a matter of opinion. When I hear Obama talk I just wish he would stop because I can't stand his boring way of speaking, same with McCain, but I have liked the way Clinton, Huckabee, Romney and Paul speak. I somewhat liked Kucinich, Richardson and Gravel when they were in the race. It's a personal preference. Some people want other candidates to shut up because they can't stand them and love Obama. Running for any office is all about selling yourself so I think the way you come across and whether people want to listen to you speak is relevant.
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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2008, 12:56:42 PM »

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Honestly, I really don't know what it is Obama stands for. Change? What Change? Transformation? What? Bringing people together? Huh? I have no clue what he specifically actually stands for and I don't think his voting record will reveal anything. He's running on a rockstar platform and this video that this thread is about is extremely pretentious. So I guess basically what he's running on is charisma and blackness (which is a change, obviously). The dream of being black and powerful, which is what a lot of people need. Just like Hillary is running on being a woman.


Only in America can you blame the candidate for not standing for anything because you are too lazy to go out and educated yourself on their positions. Here, let me help you in your political laziness. Below is a link to Obama's website where he gives his detailed stance and plans as president on each one of 22 major issues:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

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Bill said that he will let Hillary have her cabinet and that he will stay out of it except to let Hillary bounce ideas off of him like he did her. And that he will let her fight her own battles. You really can't argue that Clinton will know what to expect going in on day one and Obama will not. He will have a learning curb no matter what it is he actually stands for.


Well first of all, it's called a "learning curve" not a "learning curb". Secondly, not a single one of the 43 presidents we have had in the history of the United States of America had ever been president, or been married to a president, prior to actually becoming the president and they all managed just fine. So I think the fact that Obama has never lived in the White House before or never been married to a President before is not going to cause a problem if he is elected president.


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In the 90's, people had little to bitch about and yet they complained anyway. In 92 people were bitching about how we had the largest deficit in history and AIDS... basically they sounded very similar to what people are saying now. So Bill at the time was the rockstar, just like Obama is now, and he kicked Bush out of the White House and stayed in for 8 years. The economy did get better under his 'rule', spin it any way you want.


Yes, the economy did very well under Bill Clinton. And we are directly paying for that good economy in the 1990's right now. By far, the largest single act performed by Clinton to improve the economy was NAFTA. He let all the major US Corporations ship all the major US jobs overseas. This did wonders for Wall-Street and we saw the greatest economic expansion in the history of America. But the price we paid for it could very well be fatal to this country. Try going to any major retail store in America right now and find a single product labled "MADE IN THE USA". Guess what? It's not gonna happen. 

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« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2008, 09:07:35 AM »

Yes, I have been to his site, Ryan. It's more specific now than the last time I visited it, I suppose that goes along with the campaign. You can go ahead and catch Obama fever if you want, though.
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« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2008, 09:10:40 AM »

Yes, I have been to his site, Ryan. It's more specific now than the last time I visited it, I suppose that goes along with the campaign. You can go ahead and catch Obama fever if you want, though.

I know you are a Hillary supporter, but if Obama wins the nomination, will you be voting for him in the general election.  I am an Obama supporter and I would probably vote Hillary in the general election if she won the nomination without the Super Delegates.
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« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2008, 04:06:31 PM »

Yes, I will vote Obama if he's on the ballot. I do love Hillary, but there's also a part of me that says Obama would be better because of where he comes from (not money).
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« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2008, 04:46:57 PM »

Yes, I will vote Obama if he's on the ballot. I do love Hillary, but there's also a part of me that says Obama would be better because of where he comes from (not money).

he comes from wealthy grandparents that supported him his whole life....

Obama's Family Tree Has A Few Surprises
Bush, Cheney, Truman Are All Distant Relatives (OUTSIDER??) hehe
 CHICAGO (AP) ― They fought leopards in Africa and for their lives on the American frontier. They served on the U.S. Supreme Court and stole from governors. They owned slaves in Maryland and cooperated with white oppressors in Kenya.

Presidential candidate Barack Obama's ancestors are as diverse a group as one might expect for a man born to a mother from Kansas and a father from Kenya. Using interviews with family members and genealogists, a study of archives and records, and Obama's book, "Dreams from My Father," the Chicago Sun-Times has cobbled together biographies of 16 of Obama's ancestors, from the noble to the, well, not-so-noble.

And his family tree has its share of surprises. Take, for instance, the distant relation to three U.S. presidents -- Harry S. Truman, George W. Bush and George Herbert Walker Bush -- as well as to Vice President Dick Cheney.

Obama's ancestors hail from seven countries: Kenya, England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Germany and the Netherlands. And he has seven half brothers and half sisters living across some 10,000 miles.

The Illinois Senator embraces the diversity of his heritage, referencing it during his now-famous 2004 speech at the Democratic National Convention.

"I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American story, that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that, in no other country on earth, is my story even possible," he said.

In a report in Sunday's editions, the Sun-Times introduces characters like Obama's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather Jonathan Singletary, whose methods for discrediting enemies in colonial Massachusetts included accusing them of being witches.

Singletary was convicted of defamation and slander, and he was later arrested for stealing from the governor's home.

Obama's ancestors walked a different path in eastern Africa, where his great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was a leader and respected warrior of the Luo tribe.

His paternal grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama, bragged of chasing away leopards during a two-week trek to Nairobi during colonial rule in Kenya. But -- to his grandson's dismay -- he also worked for white oppressors, first supervising road crews and then working in a white man's home.

While Obama's relatives managed to escape ever being enslaved, many did own slaves themselves, a revelation that his campaign has responded to by saying his ancestors "are representative of America."

For his forebears who struck out across the American frontier, life could be cruel: Several ancestors were killed or kidnapped by American Indians in Kentucky.

Genealogists warn not to make too much of Obama's links to U.S. presidents, saying they're a distinction not uncommon to Americans with ties to New England.

Still, it's worth noting that President Truman is Obama's fourth cousin four times removed, and Obama and the current President Bush are 11th cousins, sharing the same great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents in 17th century Massachusetts. Obama and Cheney have a common ancestor who migrated from France in the 17th century.

Other public servants in Obama's heritage include a second cousin of his great-great-great-great-great grandfather, Gabriel Duvall, who served in Congress and on the U.S. Supreme Court.

While Obama acknowledges being shaped by the diversity of his ancestors, the impact of a more direct relative -- his Kansas-born mother, Stanley Ann Dunham -- can't be overlooked.

His parents divorced when he was just 2 years old, and his mother was left to raise him alone. She died in 1995 of ovarian cancer at the age of 53.

Obama has called her "the single constant in my life" and credits her influence for "that what is best in me."



Could you imagine if McCains ancestors OWNED SLAVES? heh....
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« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2008, 06:17:35 AM »

Ya, reaganite, nothing personal, but I tend not to believe the "information" you provide.  You don't have a very good history of providing reputable sources to back up your interesting lines of thinking.  But thanks for trying.  Cool
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