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Hillary won NY vote by 57% to 40%, that's 1.4 ratio. But she got 39 "superdelegates" from NY against Obama's 1. That's the ratio of 39. 39/1.4=28. Democratic principle was distorted by 28 fold among the BY "supers".
New Jersey: Hillary 54% vs. Obama 44%. Won by 1.2 ratio. Superdelegates? Hillary gets 10. Obama gets 1. Ten-fold.
Obama wins Georgia popular vote 67% to 31%. Ratio of 2.1. But with such MASSIVE victory he gets only 3 superdelegates and Hillary gets 2.
Now smack this. Obamas wins Alabama 56% to HIllary's 42%. Superdelegates? Obama gets 1, Hillary gets 2. I mean u win a state by a 14% margin and STILL lose on the state's superdelegates? Lose by two-fold?
On the other hand, Obama take ALL of the Illinois supers. But, with the popular vote almost equal, Hillary leads among the superdelagtes by 1.8 ratio.
The actually people's votes are here. They are known, they make the basis for the pledged delegates distribution. But the pledged ones can still theoretically change their opinion while on the road to the Convetion. WHy not just take the people's vote and make decide the winner based on it? Like in any sane election.
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a big pile of bs covered with a thick layer of sugar
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yilmaz101
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2008, 12:01:30 PM » |
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I don't see what is wrong with the "superdelegates" getting to choose the presidential candidates. It is not like the people elect the president so they may as well not get to elect the candidates........
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2008, 02:39:53 PM » |
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I've always thought that system a bit odd. But who am I to tell Americans how to run their elections?
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2008, 02:57:39 PM » |
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who am I to tell Americans how to run their elections? they tell a lot of people how to run theirs. |
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2008, 03:26:39 PM » |
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I think it stinks to high heaven.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2008, 03:46:42 PM » |
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I've always thought that system a bit odd. But who am I to tell Americans how to run their elections?
I thought the same. Not that I understand all of it,but it seems so much more drawn out than is necessary. I don't see what is wrong with the all the parties putting forward their candidate and the public voting on who they want to run the country and more importantly, which political party they want to run the country. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2008, 03:53:04 PM » |
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I don't see what is wrong with the "superdelegates" getting to choose the presidential candidates.
Then why go through the charade of pretending that the public has a voice? You could save all the money and put it to something else, rather than go through this circus every so many years. |
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2008, 04:18:16 PM » |
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I wrote two sentences I believe. If you also read the second sentence you'll get what I mean.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2008, 05:19:02 PM » |
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I wrote two sentences I believe. If you also read the second sentence you'll get what I mean.
I know.  It was an open ended question I was asking. It wasn't directed at you. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2008, 05:52:22 PM » |
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Just you wait.
In a few months, I will unleash
Super, thanks for asking, Delegates.
You are in SOOOO much trouble.
I could just stomp my little foot.
I could.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2008, 07:19:03 PM » |
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who am I to tell Americans how to run their elections? they tell a lot of people how to run theirs. Touche! (And I'm an American) OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2008, 07:44:04 PM » |
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Why not just nix the primaries....just have one big general election...anyone can vote for anyone regardless of political affiliation, most votes wins....so the ballot would look a little like:
-Joe Biden
-Sam Brownback
-Hillary Clinton
-Christopher Dodd
-John Edwards
-Rudy Giuliani
-Mike Huckabee
-Duncan Hunter
-Alan Keyes
-Dennis Kucinich
-John McCain
-Barack Obama
-Ron Paul
-Bill Richardson
-Mitt Romney
-Tom Tancredo
-Fred Thompson
-None of the above*
*If this choice gets the most votes, Patton wins it all.
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2008, 08:35:32 PM » |
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this can be resolved simply by giving each state 1 electorial vote. For example just because California has the largest population along with Texas, New York, and Florida (most of which are illegals) doesn't mean they have a higher say in who is President. The whole election process needs to be re-evaluated, thats just my opinion
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2008, 09:02:46 PM » |
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this can be resolved simply by giving each state 1 electorial vote. For example just because California has the largest population along with Texas, New York, and Florida (most of which are illegals) doesn't mean they have a higher say in who is President. The whole election process needs to be re-evaluated, thats just my opinion
Its an interesting theory which has its advantages The one problem I see in it, is that it gives the voter living in the smaller population states, more importance for his vote than the guy who lives in a big population state. So in a way, you are penalising people who live in states with big populations. Because their vote is such a much smaller percentage of the voting pool than the guy who votes in the small state. |
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2008, 09:06:02 PM » |
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I don't see what is wrong with the "superdelegates" getting to choose the presidential candidates. It is not like the people elect the president so they may as well not get to elect the candidates........
How true. How sad. OswaldTheOsprey |
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