what's the meaning of the primaries? To elect a representative electable candidate. So why the hell would u enable a pile of Party bureauc-rats to overrule the popular vote? That's precisely what's going on. Don't be surprised if Obama wins the popular vote but Hillary wins the nomination due to the self-anointed report-to-nobody super-pupers. How many times America needs the popular vote be overruled by bureacrats to get so simple a thing?

Obama is winning independents big time. And the Dems NEED a candidate able to attract independents. WHat's going on is the Democratic Partee defeating herself. The one who's able to attract independents better is getting trashed by the self=appointed machinery of the Party. 100 000 votes are neutralized by a single self-appointed super. The Dems deserve to lose just to realize the self-defeating nature of their primaries system.

The Nation has this to say:

"Democratic Party uses an antiquated and anti-democratic nominating system that includes 842 "super-delegates" – un-pledged party leaders not chosen by the voters, free to support the candidate of their choice, and who comprise more than forty percent of the delegates needed to win the nomination...In a clear attempt to protect the party establishment, this undemocratic infrastructure was created following George McGovern's landslide defeat in 1972. It was designed to prevent a nominee who was "out of sync with the rest of the party,..."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?bid=7&pid=266130

Of course, the Reps wouldn't be themselves if they didn't exceed any idiocy of the Dems. In the Republican primaries, many states have the winner-takes-all system so that millions of votes are thrown to garbage because they were cast in a wrong state. Look at Rep primaries in Florida. Around 700 000 voted McCoin and over 1 000 000 vote NOT for McCoin. But the non-McCoin majority was flushed down the sink as the Eternal Warrior possessed ALL 57 delegates from the state. And that repeats time and again. So McCains huge lead is nothing but a whim of an absurd electoral system.

The Dem-Rep competition for the most idiotic self-defeating electoral gadget continues.

You know the voting system needs a rehaul when the major news outlets explain the process to you and you still don't get it.

I figure the people with the most intrest in who runs under a party's banner are the people already elected under that banner. If a person wins popular votes what do they need a party for?

That's right. You need money to spread your message, in person, on television, internet, and wherever you can.

More of a republic?  NO!!!  It is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC 100%, NOT A DEMOCRACY AT ALL!!!

Our forefathers HATED the idea that this country would become a DEMOCRACY!!!!  The TYRANNY of a majority, is ever bit as bad, if not worse, than the tyranny of a single tyrant.  It's a whole lot harder fighting 51% of the people driven by a few nuts, which is what this country has become, than just 1 nut driving himself. 

We are a REPUBLIC that is supposed to be CONSTRAINED by the CONSTITUTION, and this whole B-LLSH-T of Super Delegates, should morally and physical outrage the sh-t out of any clear thinking AMERICAN that values the principals of ONE MAN, ONE VOTE and RULE OF LAW!!!! 

For God's sake BILL CLINTON is a super delegate.  WTF?!?  Is anyone in here going to seriously pretend that the democrats have a choice in this election?  HITLERY Clinton with a Barrack O'Bama VP nomination.  Like it or not, want it or not, that is the way it has already been decided it gonna be.

Super delegates make up 40% of the needed vote for the nomination.  They will split to make it APPEAR to be close, but HITLERY edges O'Bama, and O'Bama won't give a sh-t cause he's the VP with the promise of Pres in '12 or '16.

Just like this BS with McCain.  He is pro-war, like HITLERY, when 80% of America disapprove of this war.  He is pro-Amnesty, like HITLERY, when 75% of America disapproves of giving illegals amnesty.  The man is crazy.  The man has a CRIMINAL WAR RECORD.  His wife supports HITLERY.  He sponsored a DIRECT ATTACK on the 1st Amendment with McCain-Fiengold.  Yet Rupert Murdock, Roger Ailses, (Media Corps/FAUX Snews and HITLERY's largest fund-raisers), Viacomm, General Electric, Time warner, and Disney insist that John McCain is the parties front runner, confirming the black-box voting candidates pick for the republican nomination.  And the people just swallow it.

Now that everyone seems to understand that there is NO CHOICE in our elections, what now?  Keep debating on who gets elected, and why they deserve the nomination?

FreeinTX

Donna Brazile, a Democratic strategist and herself a superdelegat, vowed to quit the Party if the superdelegates overrul the popular vote. The olygarchic thing (S-delegates, not Donna) is getting even some high-ranking Dems pissed. Well, Donna also gets them pissed, but may they rest in piss if they insist they are the ones to make the decision. I particularly detested Pelosi's absurd defense of the idea of supers. If the sups overrule the people, let the Dems lose. Although that would still be insufficient stimulus to make change. They won popular vote in 2000 because a bunch of lowyers decided that half a million votes wasn't that much of a thing to be thrown to garb. And the Dems did NOTHING to get rid of the mesolithic electoral college. The Dems have no intention to introduce any political reform to update some obnoxiously obsolete gadgets of the American polity; so we don;t need no water let the mfs burn.