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Author Topic: Islamists & democracy: coexistence  (Read 1270 times)
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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2008, 05:15:10 AM »

I like how you just skip the parts of Fort's response that make you uncomfortable.  THAT is what makes you a weasel Untouchables.
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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2008, 07:09:07 AM »

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Personally, I have found it more reliable than iamthewitness,jewwatch and david duke.

Jericoacoara, you always give me a beautiful laugh when I read your comments about "sources" each time; i discover your naïvety by day.
Those are some facts you should learn mate:  Cool

1- Both whites supremacists and zionists are craps; they are like Tom and Jerry: each one need the other to survive and to state his identity.

2-For instance whites supremacists -apartheid regime-  are the best friends of zionazists for decades
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1704037,00.html

This at time where this racist white regime was boycotted by quite all countries.

3- It's exactly what happened in the past the well-known zionist/nazi collaboration and love-making
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/nazisupport.cfm

4- what are you calling sources, are not sources at ALL- they are just  websites who collects infos from everywhere in "daily press" then they make their own comments which run with their belief.

Ex: a minister improve new laws for immigration
some leftist sites may put a comment, but what do you call "racist sources" would just put another comment that bash any immigration facilities.- The TWO are using the same sources.

5- What's best sources to watch and putting zoom on zionist activities?

It could be amazing for you, but the most important source is Israeli press itself and other jewish american sites in 2nd position-

I am a big admirer of israeli press, because it's honest and they expose all what they think about, more also Israeli press doesn't support any kind of control like it's in the west (anti defamation laws).

Those my favourite links consulted daily (100% jewish):

Haaretz
Jerusalem Post
Maariv (sadly only in hebrew )

JTA, great site exposing daily israeli news
ZOA, zionist american org which give you a look about general purposes

Forward, great site exposing jewish money in politics
ADL of Abe Foxman
Jewish Quarterly, jews in culture and  new movts
The Awareness Center, Inc, updated site about zionist & rabbis perversion

Naturei Karta, well-known anti-zionist jews.

example of jewish quarterly honesty
http://www.jewishquarterly.org/article.asp?articleid=38

source that it would be forbidden if written in western press!!


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« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2008, 09:16:19 AM »


Untouchables, not only are you avoiding Jeri's explanation, you are posting your usual anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish crap all sugar coated in some sources mixed with known hate sites. You really are bitter and I wonder what happened to you in your younger days??!!

Please, tell us your life story so we can understand where you are coming from and why?

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« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2008, 09:32:29 AM »

This is perfect....bloody perfect.

Tribal leaders in NWFP in Pakistan voting on their own as they have for generations, and it's looking like the Mullahs/Taliban are no longer 'cool'. They might lose their governance, and because of that already they're turning to violence and intimidation.

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Five years ago, Islamist parties rode to victory on a wave of opposition to America's invasion of Afghanistan.

They swept the board in Mardan, capturing power in this province and sharing it in another. Now they're defending their record.

"They were saying that these clerics can't rule," says Shujaul Mulk, a JUI Member of Parliament from Mardan, "but we have shown how we can run the government. There was fiscal discipline, and we also did a lot to try and enforce Sharia."

Despite such confidence, it looks as if this time the Islamists will be routed.

Voters are also fed up with the mullahs' performance.

"They had a government in this province for the past five years, but weren't able to complete development activities," said one man in Mardan's market.

"They took the vote in the name of Allah, but they didn't do anything," said another. "If they and other parties are the same, why are they taking the name of Islam?"

The Awami National Party (ANP), a Pashtun nationalist movement opposed to Islamists, is expecting to pick up the protest vote. So is the secular Pakistan Peoples' Party (PPP).

But there's also another Islamist force, which favours violence over the ballot box.

Recently men filed silently through a graveyard close to Mardan, to bury a 17-year-old boy.

Fahim Jan died in a bomb explosion at an ANP rally, along with 29 other people. It's not clear who did this, but pro-Taleban militants are suspects.

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That trend of alternating negotiations and force is part of a vicious cycle: Pakistani militants support the Afghan Taleban's fight against Nato, who in turn tells Pakistan's army to stop them, and the militants hit back, spreading their influence in places like Mardan.

Who would suggest something like pakistan militants fighting with Taliban in Afghanistan? Who would come up with such a ridiculous idea?  Shocked

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7243754.stm




So:
A: No, Afghans, Pakistani and any others used to '4000 years of tribal warfare' are not incompatable with the general premise of elected government.

B: Yes indeed the only ones not willing to accept the vote are the Taliban and their ilk (considering the rest accepted it when the mullahs were voted in).

C: Yes indeedie-do a high portion of the militants coming into Afghanistan are indeed Pakistani (and in many cases already wanted in Pakistan). Who would say such a thing?!

So frustrating to know something...argue over it...have people tell you it's stupid, something you're just making up...then have to wait months for a story that indicates exactly what you said, surely to only be once again dismissed by people sitting 1000's of miles away but insist they "know better". Time to rethink the romantic notion that Taliban are "Afghans fighting for Afghanistan".



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« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2008, 09:46:40 AM »



And this surprises you how?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2008, 05:14:49 PM »

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They recruit from Germany because Germany is a fertile ground for white islam converts, who are much harder to detect and profile by international security agencies when preventing terrorist attacks.

Germany has for a long time been the country for tolerance and islam friendly due to feeling guilty over their terrible world war 2 human rights crimes. This over tolerance is now catching up with them.

Well, this thread is about political Islam -or islamist parties in the scene- it's not about Al-Qaeda clowns. I see that any discussion here can't get over from alqaeda.

What's Al-Qaeda? do they get any political weight or political party? 5, 6;10 parasites caught..so what? -do you know the number of muslims in Germany?  so what? alqaeda want spreading islam in Germany!!!!- don't be absurd.

You need refresh memory, don't forget that most AlQaeda victims are muslims  Wink

Al-Qaida represent the military branch of political Islam. Every islamist parties (real ones not those with just the name) agree with the political views and goals of al-Qaida even if they pretend to reject their method.
Islamism is for the application of strict sharia reules and no influence from the west in any aspect of their life.
That's exactely what  al-Qaida is fighting for.

For that very reason Islamist parties in Germany and elswhere in Europe perform very poorly in election polls. Muslim influence in politics is rather expressed through muslim politician candidates within traditional parties (social democrat, ecologists etc).
I don't any Islamist party have ever won a single seat anywhere in Western Europe.


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Thats fair comment. No country likes foreigners trying to push their religion on them. How about the west withdraw all their missionairies and you withdraw all your islamic preachers from the west? Seems like a fair deal to me.

After all, it was your article that pointed out how most middle eastern treat christian missionaries
Yep you play the ignorant,
Those thousands of missioners are EVANGELISTS not cathos or orthodoxes, THEY ENTERING Iraq and Afghanistan with Bush's warriors as hidden army.
they play on citizens sentiments and needs (money, visas, immigration...etc).

Why they wouldn't go to the atheist Europe to achieve their agenda.
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Evangelists by the thousands? Where did you get that from? islamicjihad.com?
Funny that we never heard of beheaded evangelist preachers more often, isn't it?
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« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2008, 09:53:31 AM »


Untouchables, I have never heard of evangelicals in the Mid-east, let alone beheaded ones.
.. sources?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2008, 11:27:50 AM »

I did, quiet a long time ago thought. I think Islamists spotted one or two couples of door-to-door evangelists (they always go two by two) and were very angry about that.
They also made a lot of noise about christian conversion DVDs they found for sale at the bazaar.
But it's clear that such poeple have a high chance to return to the US from Iraq, body and head separately.

Also let's not forget that for muslims, apostatsy is punished by death and in this region, they don't joke with that rule.
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« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2008, 05:26:22 AM »

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Al-Qaida represent the military branch of political Islam. Every islamist parties (real ones not those with just the name) agree with the political views and goals of al-Qaida even if they pretend to reject their method.

LIAR,
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Nothing just your blind hatred and moronic/cartonic topics; which HAVE DECREASED THE DISCUSSION QUaLITY of ME forum!

I'm registred in other forums, and I know that you would make make a nice clown among other posters.

A proverb said: "generalization is the quality of the ignorant"; it's exactly what happened with you.

All Islamic politic parties (Hezballah, Hamas, Muslim brotherhood ..)consider Alqaeda as puppets and terrorists; This some essentials that should be known by any presumed Moderator of ME issues-
you undersand?
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« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2008, 05:35:29 AM »

LIAR,[/b]....

Nothing just your blind hatred and moronic/cartonic topics; which HAVE DECREASED THE DISCUSSION QUaLITY of ME forum!



Am I the only one to notice the irony here?  Wink
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« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2008, 07:28:20 AM »


Untouchables, there is nothing democratic about Islam. Never was and never will be. Not as long as there are radical Islamists and Sharia law..

-Terry

This statement is completely ignorant of Islamic history. Not only were the Islamic Ottomans more democratic than Europe for their time but they were more advanced scientifically and culturally.
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« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2008, 07:41:43 AM »


Untouchables, there is nothing democratic about Islam. Never was and never will be. Not as long as there are radical Islamists and Sharia law..

-Terry

This statement is completely ignorant of Islamic history. Not only were the Islamic Ottomans more democratic than Europe for their time but they were more advanced scientifically and culturally.




Where are the Ottomans NOW??  Grin
.. we are not talking of the past.
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« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2008, 07:44:47 AM »

LIAR,[/b]....

Nothing just your blind hatred and moronic/cartonic topics; which HAVE DECREASED THE DISCUSSION QUaLITY of ME forum!



Am I the only one to notice the irony here?  Wink



No you're not Jeri, nor the entertainment value.  Undecided
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« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2008, 04:20:45 PM »

Any present time is just a footnote in history to come........

Untouchables, there is nothing democratic about Islam. Never was and never will be. Not as long as there are radical Islamists and Sharia law..

-Terry

This statement is completely ignorant of Islamic history. Not only were the Islamic Ottomans more democratic than Europe for their time but they were more advanced scientifically and culturally.




Where are the Ottomans NOW??  Grin
.. we are not talking of the past.
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« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2008, 06:38:10 PM »


Untouchables, there is nothing democratic about Islam. Never was and never will be. Not as long as there are radical Islamists and Sharia law..

-Terry

This statement is completely ignorant of Islamic history. Not only were the Islamic Ottomans more democratic than Europe for their time but they were more advanced scientifically and culturally.

Yes, but they were not Islamist.
It's not because muslims lived 500 years ago overthere that they were more islamist than today.
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