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http://www.usvetdsp.com/story22.htm

Sen. McCain Wants To Be President
Check-out his unpresidential credentials

January-February 1997 Issue
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch


Citing his 5-1/2 years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, columnists and journalists freehandedly describe Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona as a war hero.

Washington Post columnist George Will wrote about McCain in 1988, "He was a prisoner for 5-1/2 years. Because he was properly obstinate, he was in solitary confinement most of that time . . . Every day for two years, one of his guards ordered him to bow, and then knocked him down."

Joseph Spear, an awestruck columnist who wanted presidential candidate Bob Dole to pick McCain for vice president wrote, "McCain is a war hero . . . He was tossed into the infamous 'Hanoi Hilton' prison camp, where he was hung by his fractured arms for hours at a time." Many have written columns suggesting that McCain is presidential material and advocate his running for the nation's highest office.

McCain obviously agrees.
Reuter's News Service reported in January that the 60 year old McCain says he wants to be President of the United States.

McCain also thinks President Clinton, who dodged the draft rather than serve in Vietnam, is the perfect presidential role model. He recently told the press that Clinton "is the best politician I have ever seen."

McCain, however, does not think so highly of the POW/MIA families and activists who openly challenge the U.S. government's POW/MIA policy, many of whom walked the halls of Congress during the Vietnam War years demanding America's prisoners of war, including POW McCain, not be forgotten.

McCain, as a member of the 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, took the lead in demanding a U.S. Justice Department investigation of the POW/MIA activists and their organizations. He accused the activists of fraud because in some of their fund-raising literature the activists claimed the U.S. government knowingly left U.S. POWs behind after the Vietnam War and that some remain alive today.

McCain openly attacked the activists telling the press, "The people who have done these things are not zealots in a good cause. They are the most craven, most cynical and most despicable human beings to ever run a scam." The Justice Department did investigate the POW/MIA activists and their organizations and found no reason to charge any POW/MIA activist.

McCain's use of the words craven, despicable and scam are mighty powerful and poisonous words from a man who admittedly traded "military information" to his communist captors in exchange for better medical treatment--or who divorced the wife that stood by him while he was a POW, after she became crippled in an accident.

Those words are hypocritical from a man whose younger and richer wife (she's an heir to Hensley & Co., the second largest Anheuser-Busch beer distributor in the United States) got caught after stealing drugs for two years from a charitable organization of which she was president.

Editor's note: The U.S. military Code of Conduct is the definitive code specifying the responsibilities of American military personnel while in combat or captivity.

Article V of the Code is very specific in ordering U.S. military personnel to avoid answering questions to the utmost of their ability and to make no oral or written statements disloyal to the United States and its allies or harmful to their cause. Any willful violation of the Code is considered collaborating with the enemy.

U.S. Navy pilot John McCain was shot down on his 23rd mission over North Vietnam, October 26, 1967. He was released March 1973 after being held captive by the North Vietnamese for 5-1/2 years.

Within days of his release, McCain wrote the following account of his captivity, which was published in U.S. News and World Report - May 14, 1973:
"I think it was on the fourth day [after being shot down] that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size of a football . . . when I saw it, I said to the guard, 'O.K., get the officer' . . . an officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as 'The Bug.' He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, 'O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.'"

McCain now says it was only a coincidence that at the same time he was offering "military information" in exchange for special medical treatment, his captors discovered that his father was Adm. John S. McCain Jr., commander of all U.S. forces in Europe and soon-to-be commander of all U.S. forces in the Pacific, including Vietnam.

Upon learning about McCain's father, the communists, in an unprecedented move, rushed McCain to one of their military hospitals where he received treatment not available for other U.S. prisoners of war.

Read following news excerpts that chronicle McCain and his associations:

"Nhan Dan today published answers to questions by one of its correspondents made by a U.S. air pirate detained in North Vietnam. "He is Lt. John Sidney McCain . . ." Hanoi VNA International Service in French - November 9, 1967

"To a question of the correspondent, McCain answered: 'My assignment to the Oriskany, I told myself, was due to serious losses in pilots which were sustained by this aircraft carrier due to its raids over North Vietnam territory and which necessitated replacements. From 10 to 12 pilots were transferred like me from the Forrestal to the Oriskany . . . upon arrival near the target, our formation, with six bombers, would mount the attack according to the following order: I would be number three, and the chief of the formation, number one. Each pilot would have to approach the target from a different direction, the choice of which would be left to him.'" A November 9, 1967 declassified Department of Defense document

"A meeting which will leave its mark on my life: My meeting with John Sidney McCain was certainly one of those meetings which will affect me most profoundly for the rest of my life. I had asked the North Vietnamese authorities to allow me to personally interrogate an American prisoner. They authorized me to do so. When night fell, they took me--without any precautions or mystery--to a hospital near the Gia Lam Airport reserved for the military. (Passage omitted) The officer who receives me begins: I ask you not to ask any questions of political nature. If this man replies in a way unfavorable to us, they will not hesitate to speak of "brainwashing" and conclude that we threatened him. (Passage omitted) "This John Sidney McCain is not an ordinary prisoner. His father is none other than Admiral Edmond John McCain, commander in chief of U.S. Naval forces in Europe." Written by "prominent" French television reporter Francois Chalais - January 1968

"Reds Say PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral
. . . Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner." Saigon-UPI, June 4, 1969


"The English-Language broadcast beamed at South Vietnam was one of a series using American prisoners. It was in response to a plea by Defense Secretary Melvin S. Laird, May 19, that North Vietnam treat prisoners according to the humanitarian standards set forth by the Geneva Convention." The Washington Post - June 5, 1969

"Dr. Fernando Barral, a Spanish psychiatrist residing in Cuba, returned from the Democratic Republic of Vietnam . . . he brought back some journalistic news: an interview with a North American pilot captured in the DRV after bombing Hanoi on 26 October 1967. The meeting between him and the pilot took place in an office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in Hanoi. The pilot interviewed is Lt Cmdr John Sidney McCain, son and grandson of American Navy Admirals . . . "In the course of the interview, on various occasions he showed that knowledge of the language, saying some words, dates, and so forth in Spanish, or [using it] when he thought the interpreter was seeking the corresponding French word. "Naturally, from the beginning this established a more direct communication between us, and more than one question or my response was made directly in Spanish." Havana Granma - January 24, 1970

"Let me emphasize that there were many, many fine women who supported what they knew their husbands believed in. My wife, Carol, was one of those and I am proud of her." U.S. New and World Report - May 14, 1973

Editor's note: In 1980, McCain's personal life soured. He divorced Carol, who had been seriously injured and crippled in a motor vehicle accident, and married Cindy Hensley, whose father Jim is an Arizona "beer baron."

"Republican Sen. John McCain reported a net worth of at least $830,705 but possibly as much as $1.2 million or more, excluding personal residences . . . McCain listed his wife, Cindy, as the source of most of his assets. . . the bulk of McCain's assets consisted of stock in three Glendale firms - Hensley & Co., a beer distributorship headed by his father-in-law; Western Leasing Co., which leases trucks and equipment; and Eagle Enterprises, which invests in real estate and stock." The Phoenix Gazette - May 19, 1987

"So why has Sen. McCain, R-Ariz., gone to unprecedented lengths to block reform of the Senate campaign finance system? Why does he oppose letting this important matter even come to a vote? Perhaps it's because he is a prime beneficiary of the special interest funding of congressional elections. "McCain raised over $2.5 million for his 1986 election . . . more than $760,000 of his campaign funds came from political action committee (PACs) . . . especially disturbing are the contributions to McCain's campaign coffers from PACs outside of Arizona." The Phoenix Gazette - December 8, 1987

"While Sen. John McCain's wife and father-in-law were investing with Charles H. Keating, Jr. in a shopping center, McCain was helping Keating battle federal regulators who questioned his operation of Lincoln Savings and Loan . . . [photo caption] Documents show that Sen. John McCain's wife, Cindy, and father-in-law, James W. Hensley (second from right) are the largest investors in Fountain Square Shopping Center. Their partnership is managed by subsidiaries of American Continental Corp., run by Charles H. Keating, Jr. (right). But John McCain contends there was no conflict in his helping Keating battle federal regulators." The Arizona Republic - October 8, 1989

"Sen. John McCain had more than a constituent relationship with Charles H. Keating, Jr. prior to 1987 . . . the McCains - sometimes with their daughter and baby sitter - made at least nine trips at Keating's expense from August 1984 to August 1986 aboard either Keating's American Continental Corporation's jet or chartered planes and helicopters owned by Resorts International. Three of the trips were for vacations at Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas." The Arizona Republic - October 8, 1989

"McCain, in a radio talk-show appearance last week condemned disclosures of his family's ties to Keating as "irresponsible journalism." The Arizona Republic - October 17, 1989

" . . . both in telephone conversations with reporters and on a live radio talk show, the Republican senator was far from calm. He was agitated. Angry. And the way he dealt with unpleasant questions was to bully the questioners . . . 'You're a liar,' McCain snapped Sept. 29 when an Arizona Republic reporter asked him about business ties between his wife, Cindy McCain, and Keating . . . 'That's the spouse's involvement, you idiot,' McCain sneered later in the same conversation. 'You do understand English, don't you?' ". . . Not content with just bullying reporters, McCain tried belittling them: 'It's up to you to find that out, kids.' . . . McCain wasn't talking to liars. He wasn't talking to juveniles. The senator was talking to two reporters." The Arizona Republic - October 17, 1989

"Employees at Hensley & Co., a $100 million Anheuser-Busch distribution firm, also say that during McCain's first campaign for Congress, some workers were pressured into going door-to-door in neighborhoods to hand out McCain election pamphlets . . . Hensley employees say they must take the checks to work, where they are collected by supervisors. I asked one person if employees were assured that all contributions were voluntary . . . 'no way,' I was told. 'And my (spouse) and I aren't even registered (to vote). That's what makes us so mad." The Arizona Republic - November 1, 1989

"As a 100 percent, service-connected, disabled ex-prisoner of war, I sought help from John McCain when he was a member of the U.S. House of Representatives and I needed help in regard to a claim for back service-connected disability compensation. I did so because I thought that as an ex-POW himself he could relate to my problem. When I could not reach him via letters to his office, I wrote to his home address. That was a very enlightening experience . . . my letter, addressed to the congressman, was opened by his wife, Cindy. She didn't like what she read, so she wrote me a nasty letter. Apparently John McCain isn't even capable of communicating on a one-to-one basis with someone who was a POW and returned from his experience in far worse physical condition than John McCain returned from his experience . . . M. "Shane" Schoenborn." The Phoenix Gazette - November 4, 1989

"Reporters also 'discovered' that the senator's wife and father-in-law invested $359,100.00 in one of Mr. Keating's projects in 1986 . . ." The Phoenix Gazette - November 13, 1989

"The liquor case is particularly intriguing as it resulted in criminal charges against Marley's subordinates, James and Eugene Hensley. If the last name sounds familiar, it's because James is papa to Cindy McCain, who is wife of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who is infamous lately as a member of the Keating Five . . . Marley also has been a shadow figure in the 1976 slaying of Republic reporter Don Bolles. Bolles wrote extensively about Marley's lucky past. And about how the Hensleys (Marley's managers) bought Ruidso Downs racing track in New Mexico. He wrote about Eugene Hensley spending five years in federal prison for a skimming scam. And about the Hensleys selling their track to a buyer linked with Emprise Corp. And about Marley's liquor ties with Emprise . . . one of Bolles' final dispatches appeared as Marley was about to become a member of the Arizona Racing Commission - the agency that regulates racetracks, including those run at the time by Emprise . . . the story dispatched Marley's appointment. Two months later, a car bomb killed Bolles." The Phoenix Gazette - January 4, 1990

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This guy is a piece of crap and does not deserve to be our president... The republican party will not get my vote for him and I will work very hard to make sure he does not win even if it means PRESIDENT HILLARY!



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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2008, 02:27:50 PM »

Let the "swift boating" begin.

I just never thought the Republicans would fall on their own like this.
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2008, 02:41:38 PM »

Let the "swift boating" begin.

I just never thought the Republicans would fall on their own like this.

Swift Boating? heav eyou heard McCains pro vietnamese commercials? Have you read his stements?

So statting facts is now called swift boating heh...  Ok then I am offically a SWIFT BOATER!!

READ CLOSLEY....
Within days of his release, McCain wrote the following account of his captivity, which was published in U.S. News and World Report - May 14, 1973:

"I think it was on the fourth day [after being shot down] that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size of a football . . . when I saw it, I said to the guard, 'O.K., get the officer' . . . an officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as 'The Bug.' He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, 'O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.'"
  He gave up without a fight at all...  thats his own words he gave info to them without being tortured by the "BUG"....  then many years later...

When Col. Bui Tin "the bug", a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army (he had actually interrogated McCain and other U.S. prisoners) testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs in 1992, McCain did not display that same "pit bull" inclination to attack as he did when the POW/MIA families and activists were testifiying.

During a break in the hearing, Sen. McCain moved to where Col. Bui Tin was seated and warmly embraced him as if he were a long lost brother.


you would think if someone tortures you you may kinda not want to hug them and instead may want to break thier neck.. but the problem is McCain was not tortures so of course he did not hate this man...

Senator McCain (below) is pictured above embracing Mai Van On in Hanoi, November 13, 1996. On identified himself as one of the Vietnamese who pulled McCain from Hanoi's Truc Bach Lake, where McCain parachuted in 1967 after his bomber was shot down. McCain has said, many times, that, after pulling him from the lake, the Vietnamese brutally beat him and stabbed him with a bayonet. ...  umm ok...



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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2008, 02:56:03 PM »

What other Rebublican candidate has ever served in the military or even deserve to not call him a hero?
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2008, 03:13:00 PM »

What other Rebublican candidate has ever served in the military or even deserve to not call him a hero?

Wait ok now you dont have to do a good job and or not commit treason of even just follow the rules you just ahve to SERVE to be a hero?

McCain is a piece of shit and I will never cast a vote for him... II dont care if he serves or not I dont care if he was a hero or not..  Take his military service out of the picture and he is still a piece of shit, based on the life he lead after he got home from his stay in hanoi.

His wife gets crippled in a car accident after fighing for his return and to replay her while she is in a hospital bed she cheats on her and dumps her for money.  Shit that alone makes me hate this piece of horse crap... But there is much more.  MIA/POW families are treated like crap by this so called man... The same way he treated his own family upon his return he treated outh POW families.  He screwed them every chance he could get.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2008, 03:41:14 PM »

Let the "swift boating" begin.

I just never thought the Republicans would fall on their own like this.

Ah, I see you said it before I did. Tells you a bit about the chaos in the Republican party. Leave it to the dems to take advantage of the chaos by sending in their weakest player.

I wonder if they'll be so busy smearing McCain, they'll forget to grease the attack machine for Hillary?

They say Obama doesn't have much experience, he also doesn't have baggage. I'm sick of brand Bush, Clinton and McCain. McCain or Hillary, it's gonna be a long 4 years...but it will be McCain. May be then we can take the Clintons Bushes and McCains, put them in a rocket and shoot them away forever.
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2008, 03:48:26 PM »

Let the "swift boating" begin.

I just never thought the Republicans would fall on their own like this.

Ah, I see you said it before I did. Tells you a bit about the chaos in the Republican party. Leave it to the dems to take advantage of the chaos by sending in their weakest player.

I wonder if they'll be so busy smearing McCain, they'll forget to grease the attack machine for Hillary?

They say Obama doesn't have much experience, he also doesn't have baggage. I'm sick of brand Bush, Clinton and McCain. McCain or Hillary, it's gonna be a long 4 years...but it will be McCain. May be then we can take the Clintons Bushes and McCains, put them in a rocket and shoot them away forever.

One can hope to avoid what you suggest, but I am afraid you may be right. Perhaps Obama will make it.

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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2008, 05:01:39 PM »

I said it and I will say it again. There is no Republican worth voting for other than McCain.  Republicans do not stand a chance this year.  Only way the dems can loose is if it is McCain vs Hilliary, then it will be a close race.  Hilliary vs anybody else besides McCain it is a cake walk. Obama vs any republican will be an embarassment.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2008, 08:25:50 AM »

I said it and I will say it again. There is no Republican worth voting for other than McCain.  Republicans do not stand a chance this year.  Only way the dems can loose is if it is McCain vs Hilliary, then it will be a close race.  Hilliary vs anybody else besides McCain it is a cake walk. Obama vs any republican will be an embarassment.

McCain is a Liberal who will raise your taxes, take away you freedom of speech, invade Iran, allow amnesty for illegals, put liberal judges on the supreme court, etc etc etc...

He is the worst thing that could happen to america, because republicnas will nto fight hm as hard sas theys hould... Look at what the last 8 years of Bush has given us when republicans will not fight thier sittng president... It has given us what we have right now...
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2008, 01:29:13 PM »

Let those without sin cast the first stone.....

I think it was on the fourth day [after being shot down] that two guards came in, instead of one.

So, his "crime" is committed on the fourth day....

What did it get him?

"He was a prisoner for 5-1/2 years. Because he was properly obstinate, he was in solitary confinement most of that time . . .

As for the pictures with former enemies....similar things play out all the time...soldiers are soldiers....the only thing different is the uniform...soldiers understand concepts like "duty" "mission" "Nation"....war is war, and all soldiers perform their duty and accomplish their mission for Nation....when the war is over...we all go home.
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2008, 01:50:04 PM »

**War Heros--A Brief Review**

McCain is a legitimate hero by the fact that he flew combat missions over hostile territory and survived years in a POW camp. That makes him worthy of the appellation in my book.
John Kerry was also a legitimate hero.
George Bush I was also a legitimate hero.

George Bush II, by way of contrast, got his daddy to pull strings so that he would avoid service in Vietnam.

President Reagan spent WWII in Hollywood making movies.

**Conclusion**

The whole "war hero" line is mostly irrelevant and a distraction from substantial discussions of policy.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2008, 05:57:48 PM »

The world is ending.

Reaganite is attacking a Republican... and jpn is defending him.

That's it... I'm offing myself right now...
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2008, 07:13:04 PM »

The world is ending.

Reaganite is attacking a Republican... and jpn is defending him.

That's it... I'm offing myself right now...

lol McCain is not a republican.... the time he spent as a POW he spent in a military hospital, not in some bamboo cage...
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2008, 07:29:46 PM »

 Reaganite ...get to the part where you tell all the conservatives to vote for Hillary or Obama ...thats the part I like the best. Grin
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2008, 03:24:09 AM »

I said it and I will say it again. There is no Republican worth voting for other than McCain.  Republicans do not stand a chance this year.  Only way the dems can loose is if it is McCain vs Hilliary, then it will be a close race.  Hilliary vs anybody else besides McCain it is a cake walk. Obama vs any republican will be an embarassment.

McCain is a Liberal who will raise your taxes, take away you freedom of speech, invade Iran, allow amnesty for illegals, put liberal judges on the supreme court, etc etc etc...

He is the worst thing that could happen to america, because republicnas will nto fight hm as hard sas theys hould... Look at what the last 8 years of Bush has given us when republicans will not fight thier sittng president... It has given us what we have right now...

We've just had 8 years of a socialist douche who took away rights and seems keen on invadining Iran.

We've had the worst thing for 6 years.

A spend happy GOP president with a spend happy GOP Congress who;s every piece of pork he happily signed into law.
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