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OswaldTheOsprey
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2008, 01:17:12 PM »

I am used to weirdness in Alabama, but getting 56% of the vote yet trailing in delegates is beyond weird. Grossly unfair seems more apt. IMHO.

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I'd say so. See, the Dems could be lauded for their more democratic system of apportioning delegates. Yet, on the other hand there is the superdelegate, which is supposed to put a check on the grassroots sending up a guy who can't win. It started after George McGovern won the nomination from the grass roots on 1972. This was a disaster. I think he won two states in the election. So superdelegates were created to, say, step in if a candidate won the primaries, who polled badly across the nation. The superdelegates were supposed to vote for the more electable candidate for the good of the party. How well it has worked is anyone's guess. It is probable, though, that if Obama, gains the majority of popular delegates, the unpledged supers will go to his side. Their are plenty unpledged supers left. I just think Hillary is just too well connected.

If Obama continues on the pace he currently is running, it would be suicide for the supers to overturn. Personally, I think Obama would be the stronger candidate far from another McGovern.

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In a nutshell, yes. And Obama is nowhere near a McGovern. He is more electable than hillary. The sperdelegates are just too inside to know that.

I hope you are wrong about the superdelegates, but fear you may be right.

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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2008, 11:32:46 AM »

Changing the constitution to respect anyone's ideals but the founding fathers is inherently un-Conservative.

Really?

We could argue the 13th and 15th Ammendments weren't our founding fathers "ideals"......was it wrong to ratify them?

I digress..........

Your mixing water and wine.....maybe I can demonstrate:

1)Was the Constitution designed to be Ammended?
2)Do Ammendments change the Constitution?

We're not taking about Huckleberry ammending the Constitution. We're talking about a man who wants to change the document's intent entirely.

The first ammendment is pretty clear on religion, I think, and I don't need to quote it. But I think Thomas Jefferson is whorth quoting at this moment:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."
- Thomas Jefferson

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Anyone who is against same-sex marriage or abortion on ANY grounds are wrong to want to change the Constitution?

Well, the issue of abortion is personal for me. It's an issue of who's rights *I* think are more important, but regardless of my personal opinion, is the Constitutional instruction on these kinds of issues.

It's a state's right.

As for same-sex marriage? I see no constitutional authority to ban it. It's not a matter of interpretation of the COnstitution that leads people to seperate arguments, but rather someone's personal interpretation of the Bible. And like Jefferson made clear, such interpretations are personal and do not belong in the realm of government.

Personally I don't want government in marriage at all... but that's just me.

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What does it matter WHERE the logic to do so comes from?

Huck eludes to the fact there are many who believe it is wrong by faith....

Where do a great number of "Conservatives" get the same idea?

WHERE you get your logic means a great deal. If it's not from the Constitution then it's not acceptable.
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2008, 05:17:24 PM »

He can say all he wants about interpreting "God's Law" to the Constitution.....it doesn't change the document one iota....as long as he follows it to the letter, he can say whatever he wants.

If he wants an Ammendment to reflect "God's Law"...then he may have a heck of a fight...the Ammendment process is difficult for a reason.
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2008, 10:33:05 PM »

And all I'm saying is I can't respect a man who would even try to change the Constitution to reflect ANYONE'S will but the founding fathers.

Chief among them; Thomas Jefferson, who wished to enforce a seperation of Church and State.
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2008, 06:02:31 PM »

Patton, I agree with almost everything  Huck supposedly stands for, probably same as you.  BUT the man mentions GOD and goverment in the same sentence too much.  The campaigns in Churches too much too.  That just is not what America is about, and was never ment to be.  I could never vote for him, he scares me that way.......
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