Terry Mathis
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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2008, 10:11:17 AM » |
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Is that the case? In that case Hamas is targeting Israeli military personnel, as all Israeli citizens in a certain age bracket are active or reserve military personnel, but happen to kill children because the Israeli's are also shielding themselves amongst the general public. We all know that Israel targets without regard for the general population because it knows it can get away with it. If Turkey had that much clemency from international public opinion I'm sure we would be targeting the known PKK associates in airstrikes on their homes too.
Yilmaz, in an area of contention and war, in any country, there will be unintended casualties. That is unavoidable. I don't think too many countries directly target the innocents, although that has happened as well. In the Israel/Occupied Territories situation, you have a terrorist group (Hamas) that deliberately shield themselves amongst the general population. So of course, collateral damage will occur.
-Terry
Bullshit yimaz, both are in the same boat and you know it. I can't believe you so blatantly are anti-semitic, but hey you are muslim.  .. I really expected more moderation from you. How disappointing.  |
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2008, 12:02:06 PM » |
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Trust me buddy, if we were ever in the same boat I'm throwing you overboard. I am not anti semitic and I will not, repeat not, allow a wanker like you or realityman or any other claim that I am anti semitic. I am antizionist if you even know the difference between being antisemitic and antizionist. Is that the case? In that case Hamas is targeting Israeli military personnel, as all Israeli citizens in a certain age bracket are active or reserve military personnel, but happen to kill children because the Israeli's are also shielding themselves amongst the general public. We all know that Israel targets without regard for the general population because it knows it can get away with it. If Turkey had that much clemency from international public opinion I'm sure we would be targeting the known PKK associates in airstrikes on their homes too.
Yilmaz, in an area of contention and war, in any country, there will be unintended casualties. That is unavoidable. I don't think too many countries directly target the innocents, although that has happened as well. In the Israel/Occupied Territories situation, you have a terrorist group (Hamas) that deliberately shield themselves amongst the general population. So of course, collateral damage will occur.
-Terry
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Terry Mathis
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2008, 12:11:22 PM » |
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Just like a Muslim to squeeze out from the core issue. Like nailing a jellyfish to the wall. Do you really think I believe you?? You are just splitting hairs, and you know it!  |
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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2008, 01:49:32 PM » |
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Do you think I give a crap what you believe? You are a moron that labels anyone and everyone who looks at Israel-Palestine issue to be an antisemite. Do you even know what that word really means and what the semitic races are? Just like a Muslim to squeeze out from the core issue. Like nailing a jellyfish to the wall. Do you really think I believe you?? You are just splitting hairs, and you know it! |
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Terry Mathis
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2008, 01:57:15 PM » |
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2008, 04:42:07 PM » |
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Yilmaz:
The situation in Palestine/Israel is diferent than that of PKK in Turkey.
In Turkey you are fightint terrorists in your country, in space under your control, your laws and your police patrolling the streets.
Last time Israeli police patrolled Palestinian streets, they did so under a rain of rocks. So the Israeli police don't watch Palestinian towns anymore, terminating de facto the occupation. This appeasement gesture didn't work as Palestinians now, use another tactic: Firing rockets over the border.
So because Israel has no men on the ground, as Turkey has in Turkish Kurdistan, they are forced to use air force or tanks.
The Hamas is also far stronger and much more active than the PKK, all proportions kept.
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Terry Mathis
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2008, 09:59:38 AM » |
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Yilmaz:
The situation in Palestine/Israel is diferent than that of PKK in Turkey.
In Turkey you are fightint terrorists in your country, in space under your control, your laws and your police patrolling the streets.
Last time Israeli police patrolled Palestinian streets, they did so under a rain of rocks. So the Israeli police don't watch Palestinian towns anymore, terminating de facto the occupation. This appeasement gesture didn't work as Palestinians now, use another tactic: Firing rockets over the border.
So because Israel has no men on the ground, as Turkey has in Turkish Kurdistan, they are forced to use air force or tanks.
The Hamas is also far stronger and much more active than the PKK, all proportions kept.
Don't forget the electricity, oil and supplies that Israel controls along with the border crossings. Is rael is in between a rock and a hard place. The answer is a hard one that would bring worldwide condemnation. Strangely enough, Israel is sensitive about that right now. Another big problem is the Gaza/Egyptian border and who monitors it. Egypt does not want to be seen as giving legitimacy to a terrorist organization. -Terry |
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2008, 11:37:40 PM » |
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Like nailing a jellyfish to the wall.
The jelly and nail poetic metaphor is always one of my favourites.  |
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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2008, 12:16:02 PM » |
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Do you think I give a crap what you believe? You are a moron that labels anyone and everyone who looks at Israel-Palestine issue to be an antisemite. Do you even know what that word really means and what the semitic races are? Just like a Muslim to squeeze out from the core issue. Like nailing a jellyfish to the wall. Do you really think I believe you?? You are just splitting hairs, and you know it! 100% All people who criticize israel are antisemites for him, ALL people! I even discuss with some Israelis in other forums who are much more comprehensive and objective than him. |
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