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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2008, 10:05:11 PM » |
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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2008, 10:05:37 PM » |
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I haven't seen you prove your hypothesis Terry. Were you going to back it up, or is bluster the best we can expect?
Biker, you are just playing the devil's advocate mate, I gave the report from the Chicago Police saying violent games DO influence young children. As far as I am concerned, it it up to others to prove that children using games rated higher than their age level do not influence their virtual/reality views. I don't have to prove a thing, the evidence is out there, those here have to prove that violence in games (unmonitored by parents) does not influence their childs behaviour towards it.What is so difficult about that? -Terry |
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« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2008, 10:11:27 PM » |
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All you lot have to do is call your local Police, and ask them. Must I lead you by the hand like the kiddies you talk about?  -Terry |
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2008, 10:18:20 PM » |
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I haven't seen you prove your hypothesis Terry. Were you going to back it up, or is bluster the best we can expect? Biker, you are just playing the devil's advocate mate, No, he's playing the responsible adult. Any member's job is to prove their point. Yours is that video games cause violent behavior. Your second hand story of some kid in Chicago is bullox as far as *I'M* concerned, so either prove me wrong or admit you have nothing. It's become an addle minded child jumping up and down saying, "you're wrong cause I said so". I gave the report from the Chicago Police say violent games DO influence young children. As far as I am concerned, it it up to others to prove that children using games rated higher than their age level do not influence their virtual/reality views. You've given us NOTHING. You have no sources, no quotes and no studies. Hell, I even tried looking for you and still found nothing. You made the original accusation that video games cause violent behavior, at which point I cite the other billion kids who play video games and HAVEN'T shot up schools. I don't have to prove a thing, the evidence is out there, those here have to prove that violence in games (unmonitored by parents) does not influence their childs behaviour towards it.
What is so difficult about that? I refer you to rules 1, 2 and 7 of the "How to win an IAP debate when you don't know what your talking about!" post. All you lot have to do is call your local Police, and ask them. Must I lead you by the hand like the kiddies you talk about? Are you high? (By the way, check rule 3 now, too) |
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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2008, 10:19:14 PM » |
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I don't have to prove a thing Which is why I don't listen to a thing you say. All you lot have to do is call your local Police, and ask them. Must I lead you by the hand like the kiddies you talk about? Because local police are experts at this subject? Why the hell should I call them, because they have an opinion? |
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« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2008, 10:26:58 PM » |
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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2008, 10:30:49 PM » |
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Really, that's it?
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« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2008, 10:38:49 PM » |
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LOL If I played 10 minutes of basket ball I would probably have elevated levels of aggression too. Does this mean kids should stop playing sports? Jeez! No sports. No video games. What ever will our young people do to stay occupied? |
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« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2008, 05:30:20 AM » |
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I haven't seen you prove your hypothesis Terry. Were you going to back it up, or is bluster the best we can expect?
Biker, you are just playing the devil's advocate mate, I gave the report from the Chicago Police saying violent games DO influence young children. As far as I am concerned, it it up to others to prove that children using games rated higher than their age level do not influence their virtual/reality views. I don't have to prove a thing, the evidence is out there, those here have to prove that violence in games (unmonitored by parents) does not influence their childs behaviour towards it.What is so difficult about that? -Terry No Terry, you provided some anecdotal evidence. You do understand the difference don't you? Repeatedly saying something doesn't make it any more true. And this is from YOUR source... Abstract
Evidence of the effects of playing violent video games on subsequent aggression has been mixed. Hardly the ringing endorsement of your position eh? In fact, further review reveals that the authors were also studying the effects of sex on violent behavior. This hardly constitutes you 'winning' this argument, and certainly does not warrant you extremely childish behavior in this thread. Have you been playing violent video games Terry?  |
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« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2008, 06:55:44 AM » |
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LOL If I played 10 minutes of basket ball I would probably have elevated levels of aggression too. Does this mean kids should stop playing sports? Jeez! No sports. No video games. What ever will our young people do to stay occupied? And you wonder why we have record levels of child obesity. Stay away from anything that may raise your adrenaline levels, because it might cause you to be a bit more aggressive, which of course leads to a killing spree. |
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« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2008, 07:03:51 AM » |
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A couple more things about that study.
A.) It was Mortal Kombat they played. Now, if the argument is reality vs video games, let me ask: do you really think kids are growing up thinking they can freeze people and then judo-chop their heads off?
B.) Video games have ratings on them. That's because certain games have been deemed unsuitable for kids. If kids are playing them, then it's the parents' fault. I could see how if a 7 year old kid played GTA up until high school, he would have tendencies to like the feeling of blasting people away. But if you started playing at the age it says on the box, then you'll already be old enough to know that isn't reality.
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« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2008, 09:04:31 AM » |
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I haven't seen you prove your hypothesis Terry. Were you going to back it up, or is bluster the best we can expect?
Biker, you are just playing the devil's advocate mate, I gave the report from the Chicago Police saying violent games DO influence young children. As far as I am concerned, it it up to others to prove that children using games rated higher than their age level do not influence their virtual/reality views. I don't have to prove a thing, the evidence is out there, those here have to prove that violence in games (unmonitored by parents) does not influence their childs behaviour towards it.What is so difficult about that? -Terry No Terry, you provided some anecdotal evidence. You do understand the difference don't you? Repeatedly saying something doesn't make it any more true. And this is from YOUR source... Abstract
Evidence of the effects of playing violent video games on subsequent aggression has been mixed. Hardly the ringing endorsement of your position eh? In fact, further review reveals that the authors were also studying the effects of sex on violent behavior. This hardly constitutes you 'winning' this argument, and certainly does not warrant you extremely childish behavior in this thread. Have you been playing violent video games Terry? Note to all you lot. You can't handle the full length research article, so the abstract got posted, even though you have absolutely no sources. Where are YOUR sources? So who is childish? I can post bunches of scientific papers but it wouldn't do anything because you don't have the background to fully comprehend if you never understood my premise. Like I said,"Beware of thin skinned moderators." ..It fits. The only decent post in this thread is right below mine, the view of which I said all along. That parents need to pay heed to the ratings, and they are responsible for their childs access to violent games. So who is the fool Biker? Exactly, you. Carry on. Bloody Mods, you'd last 10 minutes in my forums. Past tense now, though I keep the domain and the shell up. |
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« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2008, 10:16:16 AM » |
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So, Terry, what position are you taking? It looked like you were of the position that games should be censored or banned, and according to your last post it appears that you feel the responsibility lies with the parents. I am of the mindset that the government should not be telling me what my kids or myself should or should not play/watch/listen to. If I feel that it is inappropriate for my child to play/watch/listen then I will make that call as every responsible parent should.
Now, as to your article/abstract. It is a very shabby piece of work. It details how people feel after 10 minutes of playing a game and it appears that it is right after the games are completed. It leaves a lot open for interpretation.
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« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2008, 11:16:52 AM » |
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So, Terry, what position are you taking? It looked like you were of the position that games should be censored or banned, and according to your last post it appears that you feel the responsibility lies with the parents. I am of the mindset that the government should not be telling me what my kids or myself should or should not play/watch/listen to. If I feel that it is inappropriate for my child to play/watch/listen then I will make that call as every responsible parent should.
Now, as to your article/abstract. It is a very shabby piece of work. It details how people feel after 10 minutes of playing a game and it appears that it is right after the games are completed. It leaves a lot open for interpretation.
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« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2008, 11:46:48 AM » |
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Note to all you lot. You can't handle the full length research article, so the abstract got posted, even though you have absolutely no sources. Where are YOUR sources? So who is childish? I can post bunches of scientific papers but it wouldn't do anything because you don't have the background to fully comprehend if you never understood my premise. You made the claim, so the onus is on you to back it Terry. Not us to disprove it. And the age old claim of 'I'd post it but you could never understand it' is pure bullshit, used only by fools and blow hards that have no proof. Is that you Terry? And you claim to have run boards? Must have been a joke of claims and counter claims with no facts ever. Sounds like fun. Like I said,"Beware of thin skinned moderators."
..It fits. It would seem that you are the thins skinned one Terry. I called your behavior childish. Not you. But you couldn't even maintain that much decorum. Oh well, no matter to me. But I am not the only one that has notice you whine about this whenever you get the snot kicked out of you. The only decent post in this thread is right below mine, the view of which I said all along. That parents need to pay heed to the ratings, and they are responsible for their childs access to violent games. All I did was commit the cardinal sin of asking to prove your assertion. You would be hard pressed to find where I said you were wrong. Cuz I didn't. Just would be nice if people backed up their claims sometimes. So who is the fool Biker? Exactly, you. Yes. Me. For thinking you could debate on a mature level. I won't make THAT mistake again. Carry on. So we have your permission? Oh good. I had been waiting for your permission to live life. Bloody Mods, you'd last 10 minutes in my forums. Past tense now, though I keep the domain and the shell up.
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