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« on: February 17, 2008, 04:30:53 PM » |
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Today was declared the independance of Kosovo LinkIMO, they should have let the Serbian enclave back to Serbia and let serbians live in Serb-controled area. What is not right is that some Serbs will have to live in an a Little Albania. The real Albania is the poorest of the poorest countries in Europe, well below Turkey's level. Kosovo will be the same unless the West pours huge amount of money for political reason but I doubt they will. |
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2008, 07:27:24 AM » |
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But why unilaterally?
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2008, 11:17:31 AM » |
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What do you mean?
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2008, 12:58:30 PM » |
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I heard this on the news earlier today but what does this mean for Serbia?
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2008, 01:11:27 PM » |
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Turkish minister of foreign affairs Babacan has stated that Turkey will recognize Kosovar independence. I am glad that we will be among the first to recognize the newest European state.
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2008, 02:29:59 PM » |
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mic,
For Serbia it means a large symbolic loss: Their territory loses one third of its surface but most of kosovar are ethnic albanian anyway, so they were already ethnicaly separated.
The symbolic loss is greater because of historical meanings of Kosovo for the Serb.
Now the social issue is that you have a Serb minority (christian orthodox) living among Kosovar Albanians (secular muslims) and they hate each others.
Since it's basicaly an ethnic independance it's not fair that the Serb enclave in Kosovo can't return to Serbia.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2008, 02:46:16 PM » |
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I seem to recall that the last time around, when the Serbian Orthodoxs were in power they were more or less trying to ethnically cleanse the Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo, and the Catholics in Slovenia and Croatia. I'm pretty sure that the serbs living in any of the above countries are at least alive and not in danger of being put in concentration camps and massacred in forests. If they really don't like their situation they can always pack up an move to Serbia. mic,
For Serbia it means a large symbolic loss: Their territory loses one third of its surface but most of kosovar are ethnic albanian anyway, so they were already ethnicaly separated.
The symbolic loss is greater because of historical meanings of Kosovo for the Serb.
Now the social issue is that you have a Serb minority (christian orthodox) living among Kosovar Albanians (secular muslims) and they hate each others.
Since it's basicaly an ethnic independance it's not fair that the Serb enclave in Kosovo can't return to Serbia.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2008, 04:54:40 PM » |
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That's true, the loss of Kosovo was caused mainly by Milosevic's violent and stupid politic of war. But they have been punished enough. they can always pack up an move to Serbia That's exactly what they did: Two thirds of the Kosovo Serbs have left Kosovo. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2008, 07:29:52 PM » |
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good. next to come...will it be Basc...Kurdistan...South Sudan...let's keep it rolling.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2008, 08:40:49 PM » |
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Every decent Eurowussie country should have its own Amerikosovo.  |
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 12:23:31 AM » |
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What do you mean?
I mean that this decision has been taken unilaterally by people from kosovo, but they are part of a country, so it seems to me an illegal decision. Let's imagine London, Paris or Madrid deciding their own independence from the rest of the UK, France or Spain without the consent of the whole country. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2008, 12:50:46 AM » |
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Quite predictable that Spain is against independance.
Can anyone explain why Slovakia is against?
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2008, 10:51:05 AM » |
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The mistake is that they have made a partition based on ethnic ground but they don't respect ethnic boundaries, and not the geographical boundaries neither. It won't work smoothly. violence showed "we are inches from partition" of Kosovo, which would move its de facto northern border from the provincial line to a line formed by the River Ibar running through the divided city of Mitrovica.
He said it was "only a matter of time before KFOR closes the bridges" at Mitrovica, dividing Kosovo Serbs from Albanians. sourceAnd now that Kosovo Albanians have theirs, Serbs from Bosnia also want their independance. That would be the next logical step. Quite predictable that Spain is against independance.
Can anyone explain why Slovakia is against?
No idea. Where is COS when we need him? |
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2008, 04:45:49 PM » |
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You mix things up, Fred.
Slovekia and Slovania are two different countries.
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2008, 03:37:35 AM » |
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Every decent Eurowussie country should have its own Amerikosovo.
They still celebrate their "independence" shouting : "thank you, America! Allah Akbar!"  |
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