Ho, yes you'r right. I didn't read properly.

Because ethnic group should learn to live toghether, forget a little bit about their ethnicity and more about the country where they live and work.

If we had to divide everybody along ethnic lines, we would spend all our working time to that, it would cost enormous sums of money and there will borders every 5 Km or miles.
It would be an endless process as every region could claim a diferent ethnicity than their neighbourgs.

There were no reason to split Yugoslavia into 5 and now 6, mini-states, none of which have an integrated economy.
There were no reason for any war, like say in Iraq where huge oil resources are at stake or vengeance from a Saddam's oppression.
But the Milosevic's governement operated like a mafia network, exploiting retarded notions of nationalism just good for ww1 and in the meantime, the albanians of Kosovo where also operating their mafia ring, which grew into an army of liberation, yet no less a mafia ring.
The region is so rotten with mafias-above-the-state that it takes 17,000 KFOR soldiers (one third of what is in Afghanistan) to ensure order.

So Kosovars don't have more rights to independance than Chechens or Basques, but because they were stupid enough, they fought, died, destroyed their economy and gained their independance in a Pyrrhic victory.

If all these groups, alabanians, serbs, bosniacs, macedonians etc, had a viable form of governement an mechanism to avoid corruption and favoritism and if everyone overthere had agreed to create a union of balkan states with no border, everything would have been better.

Well, when Serbian genocided 18,000 kosovars, that was quite a unilateral decission too...

Where did you get this number? Who counted them?
Any data on genocided Serbs?

A century short of Italian reunification is always?

The question was not to whom which land belong, that was a false problem, because every 5 km, another ethny could claim its own land.
All this cascade of independances and new borders was stupid and useless. All these poeple were mixed and had evrything to live toghether. They could express and maintain their cultural inheritage and pride through dance festivals, folk concerts and dialect spoken theater plays. Not through wars.
The source of the problem was not History, but the retardation of a rotten political class on every sides.
Nationalism was a cover up for grey or black business, from illegal weapon traficking to cigarette factories.
That's why mafia-styled politicians could agree with those of the other clan. No one wanted the other to put their nose in their business.

And that was working that way because, for some reason, this region had stayed with the same mentality as that before ww2, maybe ww1. They stayed 100 years backward until they woke in the 90's. Just like these two world wars had never existed for them. In the 90's Croatia was still sympathetic to Nazi ideas, Serbia saw itself as a slavian fortress against Ottoman invasion, Makedonians as the descendants of Alexander the Great etc... Realy absurd in a place like Europe.
While the European Union where borders are abolished, surrounds them, they go the opposite road.

The idea of independance, because they have a majority of muslim albanians and the other a majority of slavs is not bad if you do it peacefuly and in a structured economical cooperation, Not in a non-sensical confrontation where everyone wants the maximum.
The best example was the partition of Czechoslovakia. They new they had part but did it in acivilized manner.
Why Yugoslavia couldn't do the same. Ask Milosevic.

If an accomodation can be reached then hey. But the problem will be that Iran, Syria, Turkey and even Iraq will not just sit by while their countries are carved up. Just like Yugoslavia did not just sit by and Nato had to intervene.... If the powers that be decided to grant Kurds a state then I am sure they would try, but at the end might would prevail. Unfortunately the cost of a Kurdistan would be greater than the cost of Kosova.......

Yilmaz101 wrote:
What matters is today and tomorrow, not yesterday.

That's your opinion but I just can't share it. IMO not only tadya and tomorrow matters, but yesterday too. History is there to show us what not to do...........once again


Yilmaz101 wrote:
If they don't want to live together and an accomodation can be reached then hey why the hell not? Let them split.

But is there any limit? Only regions can unilaterally declare independence or are towns and villages  allowed too?

Saludos