yilmaz101
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« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2008, 12:57:40 PM » |
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I'm not one of those that live in a fairy tale where peoples right to self determination is by itself enough. But when groups of people decide it is no longer viable for them to live together they tend to engage in warfare and other forms of struggle. This struggle sometimes leads to self determination and nationhood and sometimes it ends up in failure. There is a price for freedom and land, and it is usually in blood.......
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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2008, 05:00:59 PM » |
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Hi, My previous post disappeared  ... Hi folks!
I've read that Kosovo has been always a Serbian province, perhaps the poorest one. It is a Serbian province at least since one century before Italy got it reunification. But even being so poor, Kosovo was richer than people in the other side of the border: Albanians. So many Albanians saw Kosovo as a place to get a better life. After the years there are more kosovars with an Albanian heritage than Serbians. Is this reason enough for independence? I mean, you let people come to your country because life is better and at the end they finally throw you away and declare that part of your soil is theirs. It is not fare IMO.
On the other hand, how is Kosovo going to survive?
Saludos
To clarify Serbians were in Kosovo much earlier than you think . In the 11th-12th century Raska was the most powerful Serbian state. To remind you Raska is in Kosovo! Today I read on Google news, afp news, etc. "Many Serbs consider Kosovo, which has dozens of Serbian churches and monasteries, the cradle of their history, culture and religion." Gee, it is proven that Kosovo is the craddle of Serbian Kingdom, it is written in every history book. I do not understand why so many press agencies try to be too politically right . I would say that may people consider Kosovo as the craddle of their culture, history, religion, etc. Greetings philY Your post didn't show... |
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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2008, 12:33:55 AM » |
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Every decent Eurowussie country should have its own Amerikosovo.
They still celebrate their "independence" shouting : "thank you, America! Allah Akbar!"  In Allah we trust!  |
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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2008, 09:26:15 AM » |
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Fredledingue wrote:
The best example was the partition of Czechoslovakia.
Why Yugoslavia couldn't do the same. Ask Milosevic.
Religious fanatics?
I don't think so. The Balkan wars were not that relgiousely colored. IMO, it was more a mafia affair spreading large and involving complex networks of nearly or entirely private militias. Each mafia clan being naturaly bod through family link, language and cult place meetings. But it had nothing to do with religion, at least not at the high level. Al Qaida tried to make their way into the Balkan but with little success and the Orthodox Church distanced itself cautiousely from Milosevic and other ultra nationalists. |
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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2008, 10:03:38 AM » |
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Fredledingue wrote:
The best example was the partition of Czechoslovakia.
Why Yugoslavia couldn't do the same. Ask Milosevic.
Religious fanatics?
I don't think so. The Balkan wars were not that relgiousely colored. IMO, it was more a mafia affair spreading large and involving complex networks of nearly or entirely private militias. Each mafia clan being naturaly bod through family link, language and cult place meetings. But it had nothing to do with religion, at least not at the high level. Al Qaida tried to make their way into the Balkan but with little success and the Orthodox Church distanced itself cautiousely from Milosevic and other ultra nationalists. It is not the first time I hear about that mafia stuff you talk about. |
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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2008, 03:20:16 PM » |
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Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former Reagan Administration official and outspoken paleoconservative, takes a seering look at the arrogant and impudent actions of the U.S. in re Serbia and Kosovo. The U.S. embassy was attacked by outraged Serbian patriots who dare stand up to the American Empire. From VDARE.com. OswaldTheOsprey http://www.vdare.com/asp/printPage.asp?url=http://www.vdare.com/roberts/080224_empire.htm |
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« Reply #37 on: February 29, 2008, 06:14:42 PM » |
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Kosovo is a classic case of American Imperialism interfering where they least have any clue what is going on. Same like their interference into sectarian clashes into Iraq.
I mean, why do you support the split of Bosnia-Hertzegovina from motherland Yugoslavia, but don't support the idea of two states: Palestine and Israel, side by side. Because there are striking similarities between both scenarios: Bosnia are muslims, Palestine are muslims, so why you support those muslims but not the others? Just because Serbs don't kiss ass to America, let's just show them who's the boss!
And back to the Kosovo problem: this is called collective punishment for Serbs who dared to stand against US and even gave US a lesson in how the real tough people know how to fight.
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« Reply #38 on: February 29, 2008, 06:32:03 PM » |
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Kosovo is a classic case of American Imperialism interfering where they least have any clue what is going on. Same like their interference into sectarian clashes into Iraq.
I mean, why do you support the split of Bosnia-Hertzegovina from motherland Yugoslavia, but don't support the idea of two states: Palestine and Israel, side by side. Because there are striking similarities between both scenarios: Bosnia are muslims, Palestine are muslims, so why you support those muslims but not the others? Just because Serbs don't kiss ass to America, let's just show them who's the boss!
And back to the Kosovo problem: this is called collective punishment for Serbs who dared to stand against US and even gave US a lesson in how the real tough people know how to fight.
So genocide isn't an issue? Why should they stay with people who tried to annihilate them? What has Serbia done for the victims? |
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« Reply #39 on: February 29, 2008, 06:37:37 PM » |
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Yes, genocide should be an issue. So let's talk first about the Palestinian genocide, when we finish we can continue with the serb.
Or, you don't agree with the priorities?
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« Reply #40 on: February 29, 2008, 07:00:21 PM » |
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Yes, genocide should be an issue. So let's talk first about the Palestinian genocide, when we finish we can continue with the serb.
Or, you don't agree with the priorities?
Politics is the art of the possible. I don't deny the wrongs of the Israeli government (genocide seems a little strong a word nevertheless given the wrongs on both sides) but a territorially contiguous Kosovo is more easily disentangled than a fragmented Palestinian state and the complications the over the top use of strikes by the Israeli's government and unconscionable use of terrorism by some Palestinian militants present. |
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. . . sometimes it seems that one has to lean into the wind to stand straight.
James Welch Winter in the Blood
Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution,no law, no court can even do much to save it.
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« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2008, 03:42:01 AM » |
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In purely theoretical terms disengagement of Palestinian and Isareli people and borders is more clearcut than those of the former Yugoslavia. The pre 1967 borders are clearly defined where as in Yugoslavia multi ethnicity prevailed even in smaller communities...... Yes, genocide should be an issue. So let's talk first about the Palestinian genocide, when we finish we can continue with the serb.
Or, you don't agree with the priorities?
Politics is the art of the possible. I don't deny the wrongs of the Israeli government (genocide seems a little strong a word nevertheless given the wrongs on both sides) but a territorially contiguous Kosovo is more easily disentangled than a fragmented Palestinian state and the complications the over the top use of strikes by the Israeli's government and unconscionable use of terrorism by some Palestinian militants present. |
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« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2008, 12:40:50 PM » |
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Kosovo is a classic case of American Imperialism interfering where they least have any clue what is going on. Same like their interference into sectarian clashes into Iraq.
I mean, why do you support the split of Bosnia-Hertzegovina from motherland Yugoslavia, but don't support the idea of two states: Palestine and Israel, side by side. Because there are striking similarities between both scenarios: Bosnia are muslims, Palestine are muslims, so why you support those muslims but not the others? Just because Serbs don't kiss ass to America, let's just show them who's the boss!
And back to the Kosovo problem: this is called collective punishment for Serbs who dared to stand against US and even gave US a lesson in how the real tough people know how to fight.
I am sorry for my poor English...I agree completely with the given statement!!! I want to ask once again: why allocation of Kosovo is legitimately And Palestine - Israel Ireland - England Bask - Spain Abkhazia - Georgia Prednestrovye - Moldova East Timor - Indonesia Northern Cyprus - Turkey and others (it is possible to continue) The first allocation - is NOT legitimately !!!!!!! Why?  Because so have considered in USA?  |
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