Abraxas
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« on: February 19, 2008, 07:01:06 PM » |
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CNN email update: CNN projects that Barack Obama will win the Wisconsin Democratic primary. WOOT!  In other news, McCain won Wisconsin as well. SURPRISE! |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky
... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2008, 07:05:50 PM » |
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Yay for Obama!!!!1
My amateur low-level ESP says that Clinton will make another cheap shot at him within the next 7 standard days.
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2008, 07:16:49 PM » |
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i am officially undecided but i am picking between Clinton and obama. i dont trust Clinton and i dont like her, but i have a huge problem with obama's church and his wifes comments. if the election was today i truly would be torn. i see Clinton as 4 years of pain..... but with healthcare for all i see obama as a wild card. 4years from now i could have a man crush on him or i could hate him more then Clinton..... i really dont know what to expect. i really want change and i know obama will provide it but will it be the right change? change doesnt always mean positive ya know? this is by far the most exciting and torn i have ever been in a race for the white house. damnit McCain..... just offer universal healthcare so i can vote what runs through my veins. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2008, 07:25:56 PM » |
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Hearing you choose between Democrats, lucky, is a bit... disturbing...
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky
... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
- Hunter S. Thompson
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2008, 07:38:08 PM » |
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damnit McCain..... just offer universal healthcare not his thing. Why would he be concerned with healthcare? His voters stand on philosophy "life is jungle, your health is your problem, everyone fights for himself, - except when we come to the army to discharge negative energy by the bliss of togetherness and killing bad people, after which we go back to the jungle." i have a huge problem with obama's church yea, that's extremely worrysome, very disturbing, the guy might be a secret Islamist or even a closet atheist. But then again, soul slavation is your personal problem, just like healthcare. his wifes comments. outrageous. U;re supposed to be proud of your country from day one no matter what. That's the basis to choose the president, the pride history. No one beats McCain on pride. The guy was proud of his country before he was born. Gotta respect that. |
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2008, 07:42:21 PM » |
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Hooray for Wisconsin!
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2008, 08:31:33 PM » |
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i am officially undecided but i am picking between Clinton and obama. i dont trust Clinton and i dont like her, but i have a huge problem with obama's church and his wifes comments. if the election was today i truly would be torn. i see Clinton as 4 years of pain..... but with healthcare for all i see obama as a wild card. 4years from now i could have a man crush on him or i could hate him more then Clinton..... i really dont know what to expect. i really want change and i know obama will provide it but will it be the right change? change doesnt always mean positive ya know? this is by far the most exciting and torn i have ever been in a race for the white house. damnit McCain..... just offer universal healthcare so i can vote what runs through my veins. A president cant CHANGE much btw.... I am voting for Obama just to see him mess up so bad and marginalize the liberals and democratic party. |
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You get what you pay for America... Welcome to the Obamanation.....
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 09:04:54 PM » |
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A president cant CHANGE much btw.... Huh? |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 09:17:35 PM » |
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A president cant CHANGE much btw.... Huh? a p r e s i d e n t c a n ' t c h a n g e m u c h is that more clear for you? It means that washington is stuck in its ways and the only real change has to happen on a local level with city councils and mayor then they get elected to state office then to national office. the people in washington now are there for life and kennedy, pelosi, and mccains are not going to change becasue Obama wants them too do what he asks. Its alot more probable that Obama will be the one the bends to thier wishes then the other way around. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2008, 09:23:21 PM » |
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the only real change has to happen on a local level with city councils that's not where lobbyists are concentrated. U can change much by changing the rules of the game, and rules of the game are set in Washington. That's why there are 16 lobbyists per capita of population in DC. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 09:29:39 PM » |
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the only real change has to happen on a local level with city councils that's not where lobbyists are concentrated. U can change much by changing the rules of the game, and rules of the game are set in Washington. That's why there are 16 lobbyists per capita of population in DC. Exactly.. thats why change has to happen LOCALY.. then it can be forced upwards.... Thats how it happens.. Thast how teh reagan revolution happened... Thats how the contract with america happened. Gingrich made each fight for seats localized... with a broad message that encompased all cahnge they wanted. I could only imagine hwo great that could have been if we had a conservative in teh white house also  |
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2008, 09:45:49 PM » |
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A president cant CHANGE much btw.... Huh? a p r e s i d e n t c a n ' t c h a n g e m u c h is that more clear for you? It means that washington is stuck in its ways and the only real change has to happen on a local level with city councils and mayor then they get elected to state office then to national office. the people in washington now are there for life and kennedy, pelosi, and mccains are not going to change becasue Obama wants them too do what he asks. Its alot more probable that Obama will be the one the bends to thier wishes then the other way around. This is a contradiction. First you say that Washington is stuck in its ways because the people (I notice you left out the Bushes. Why?) are elected for life and the political life tends to flow through the families... ... and then say that Obama will be the least likely to change anything cause he's new. Plus, you go on to say Obama will bend to the will of others... but dramatically proclaim in another thread that Obama is gonna put troops in Kenya and Darur because HE WANTS to. Your arguments are nothing but the ridiculous ravings of a child too upset over supperficial reasons (like he's a Democrat) to come up with any real reason to oppose him. Sad... |
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky
... you can almost see the high water mark - that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2008, 10:02:45 PM » |
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A president cant CHANGE much btw.... Huh? a p r e s i d e n t c a n ' t c h a n g e m u c h is that more clear for you? It means that washington is stuck in its ways and the only real change has to happen on a local level with city councils and mayor then they get elected to state office then to national office. the people in washington now are there for life and Kennedy, pelosi, and McCain's are not going to change because Obama wants them too do what he asks. Its allot more probable that Obama will be the one the bends to their wishes then the other way around. This is a contradiction. First you say that Washington is stuck in its ways because the people (I notice you left out the Bushes. Why?) are elected for life and the political life tends to flow through the families... ... and then say that Obama will be the least likely to change anything cause he's new. Plus, you go on to say Obama will bend to the will of others... but dramatically proclaim in another thread that Obama is gonna put troops in Kenya and Darur because HE WANTS to. Your arguments are nothing but the ridiculous ravings of a child too upset over supperficial reasons (like he's a Democrat) to come up with any real reason to oppose him. Sad... He talks about change but putting troops in Darfur is not change its what LIBERAL in the senate and House have been crying for for YEARS! thats not change that doing the will of pelosi and such... Tell what CHANGE he proposes? NOTHING..... except raising taxes... that's a change? More money for a bloated federal teachers union? that's a change? More money for Medicare and social security? That's change? I still cant understand why you bring Bush up all the time? Your BDS is bad kid and you are going to have to get over it soon because come 2009 Bush will not be in office any more and you will have President Obama, Speaker, Pelosi, Senate Leader Harry Reid to give you all you wish.... Higher taxes, More money for a ineffective teachers union, more federal welfare in the form of socialized medicine, 20 million amensty cases, and millions more to follow who will need federal and state aid. By 2010 this country will most likely be in a full blow recession and quite possibly a depression. At that time the change I speak of will come from the statehouses and municipal buildings of "fly over country". It will come from Americans sick of the federal government sick of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton or Obama... Sick of being over taxed and mistunderstood. It will not be empty rhetoric for "change" but will be real change in the way this country is run. This is why I will vote for Obama and will then turn to working locally to push for more conservative principles. I pray McCain does not win because he is the worst option right no behind both Hillary and Obama. ........................ Now you say Obama will change things please tell me what you think he will change... PLEASE because for all his empty rhetoric and speeches I find nothing of substance. |
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2008, 10:08:42 PM » |
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I didn't say ANYTHING except that you weren't making sense.
Everything else is your delusional mind mis-interpreting what everyone says.
I didn't pick Obama cause I liked him. Sadly, I picked Obama cause he's not the WORST choice for president. Clinton doesn't mind going to war with Iran and McCain is too much like Bush (tax cuts, war, more tax cuts - these don't gel). Any other reason you think I'm voting for Obama is nothing but contrived nonsense.
So stop talking out of your ass and join the discussion like the adult we all hope you are.
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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like its from Neptune.
- Noam Chomsky
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2008, 10:24:02 PM » |
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I didn't say ANYTHING except that you weren't making sense.
Everything else is your delusional mind mis-interpreting what everyone says.
I didn't pick Obama cause I liked him. Sadly, I picked Obama cause he's not the WORST choice for president. Clinton doesn't mind going to war with Iran and McCain is too much like Bush (tax cuts, war, more tax cuts - these don't gel). Any other reason you think I'm voting for Obama is nothing but contrived nonsense.
So stop talking out of your ass and join the discussion like the adult we all hope you are.
McCain VOTED against bush tax cuts twice... sigh... please dont call him a tax cutter because he is not... |
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