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Author Topic: Turkish ground forces have entered N. Iraq!!!  (Read 987 times)
yilmaz101
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« on: February 22, 2008, 04:04:48 AM »

Seems last night elements of Turkish armed forces have crossed the border into N. Iraq to carry out counterterrorist activity targeted at PKK/Kongragel. I will post updates as I come across them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7258323.stm

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/22/turkey.iraq/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2008, 04:14:22 AM »



Looks like the PKK has them on the run!  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2008, 04:23:34 AM »



More...

http://www.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUSANK00037420080222


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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2008, 04:28:17 AM »

Yup!!! Someone should tell them that they are running in the wrong direction.  laugh


Looks like the PKK has them on the run!  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 07:27:57 AM »

My favorite quote: "Washington also raised concerns".

Yes well one would think it would raise a little more than an eyebrow. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2008, 09:07:51 AM »

My favorite quote: "Washington also raised concerns".

Yes well one would think it would raise a little more than an eyebrow. Smiley

Not more than that. They need a stick for their "Carrot & Stick" policy against Northern Iraqis. Independence to be the carrot, Turks and Arabs to be the sticks. In fact, the Turkish-American relations  is a big puzzle including some parts in Iran territories.

By the way, US have raised a lot of sympathy through her latest moves among the man on the Turkish streets.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2008, 10:44:53 AM »

I thought they were preparing for carnaval...


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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2008, 11:07:05 AM »

I thought they were preparing for carnaval...


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What's that really? Snow or what?
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2008, 11:53:16 AM »


From the picture, I would surmise that the soldiers are in close formation going uphill on a frozen path with 'winter smocks' not only for some camo use but also to retain body heat. Since a flash was used to take the picture and the closeness of the soldiers I would surmise also that they are on the Turkish side of the border headed for their Mission quite a distance away from the action. Note that no weapons are out and visible, so as they approach a danger zone, the winter smocks would either be discarded or reconfigured for battle and their weapons would be hand carried. Most arctic (winter) camo does have some colour to break up the outline and the 'smocks' may or may not be part of that. They are carrying pretty heavy backpacks and I reckon they have at least a few days of ammo and supplies to last till re-supply. When they go into action the heavy part of the backpacks would be shed and a fighting configuration used.


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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2008, 01:38:44 PM »




http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hHDG79AIius7McB6xz3lTQFLIdhQD8UVIUG00


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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2008, 01:45:35 PM »

For the most part you are right. But they have their weapons in their right hands, if you look closely youll see that the lead soldier is armed with a H&K model 33 while the one right behind him seems to have a H&K G3. Turkish soldiers either have their guns locked up in the gunracks (at the barracks) or they have them in their hands. Whenever they are out and about in the boonies they're always armed and ready. From their appearance they look like a group of Gendermerie special operations team. And yup they are waering their winter smocks and are heavily laden with gear (I'd guess mostly food and equipment). Our guys are not too keen on ammo, especially the special ops units. For them fire supremacy usually means killing the bad guys with a few well aimed shots. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean that as a brag. It is just the practical reality of having to carry the ammo you need yourself. These guys usually operate in the mountains where every gram of weight you shed helps. From what I have seen in most instances a soldier will have 4-5 magazines of ammo (80-100 rounds) on top of what is loaded in the rifle.

From the picture, I would surmise that the soldiers are in close formation going uphill on a frozen path with 'winter smocks' not only for some camo use but also to retain body heat. Since a flash was used to take the picture and the closeness of the soldiers I would surmise also that they are on the Turkish side of the border headed for their Mission quite a distance away from the action. Note that no weapons are out and visible, so as they approach a danger zone, the winter smocks would either be discarded or reconfigured for battle and their weapons would be hand carried. Most arctic (winter) camo does have some colour to break up the outline and the 'smocks' may or may not be part of that. They are carrying pretty heavy backpacks and I reckon they have at least a few days of ammo and supplies to last till re-supply. When they go into action the heavy part of the backpacks would be shed and a fighting configuration used.


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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2008, 02:06:48 PM »

My favorite quote: "Washington also raised concerns".

Yes well one would think it would raise a little more than an eyebrow. Smiley

Not more than that. They need a stick for their "Carrot & Stick" policy against Northern Iraqis. Independence to be the carrot, Turks and Arabs to be the sticks. In fact, the Turkish-American relations  is a big puzzle including some parts in Iran territories.

By the way, US have raised a lot of sympathy through her latest moves among the man on the Turkish streets.

Dude what do you exactly mean when you talk about big puzzle including some parts of iranian territories?
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2008, 11:58:10 PM »

My favorite quote: "Washington also raised concerns".

Yes well one would think it would raise a little more than an eyebrow. Smiley

Not more than that. They need a stick for their "Carrot & Stick" policy against Northern Iraqis. Independence to be the carrot, Turks and Arabs to be the sticks. In fact, the Turkish-American relations  is a big puzzle including some parts in Iran territories.

By the way, US have raised a lot of sympathy through her latest moves among the man on the Turkish streets.

Dude what do you exactly mean when you talk about big puzzle including some parts of iranian territories?

1-PKK's Iranian branch fights against Iranians with full support from US (Of course).  Now most PKK terrorists escaping towards Iran and joining their Iranian counterpart "PJAK". After that point they will be under western protection and be supported. This is a funny story.

2-US is still seeking Turkish support for a potential military conflict with Iran.
3-Southeastern Turkey is the best route for a future US military withdrawal and US also seeking help for that too.
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2008, 12:13:51 AM »


From the picture, I would surmise that the soldiers are in close formation going uphill on a frozen path with 'winter smocks' not only for some camo use but also to retain body heat. Since a flash was used to take the picture and the closeness of the soldiers I would surmise also that they are on the Turkish side of the border headed for their Mission quite a distance away from the action. Note that no weapons are out and visible, so as they approach a danger zone, the winter smocks would either be discarded or reconfigured for battle and their weapons would be hand carried. Most arctic (winter) camo does have some colour to break up the outline and the 'smocks' may or may not be part of that. They are carrying pretty heavy backpacks and I reckon they have at least a few days of ammo and supplies to last till re-supply. When they go into action the heavy part of the backpacks would be shed and a fighting configuration used.


-Terry

According to today's newspapers:

1-They carry 35 kg of blankets, water, beverages, conserved food, chocalate, instant soups, halva, ammo, signal rockets, communication devices, mines, spare clothes, pickaxe and shovel, hand heaters, arctic sleeping bags, cooking device, 2 hand granades, rocket launcher (one per team),  steel vest, night vision device, two machine guns (either G-3 and/or sniper  rifles), tent,  camouphlage paints, and specially designed arctic uniforms. 
2-As of yesterday, operation area was -30 centigrade. (As Terry told above). But in a few days temperature is expected to rise almost 15 centigrade degrees (sounds like perfect meteorological timing!). When winter is over ther will be no place to hide for PKK.
3-They use special VMM-3 mine dedectors which are capable of working in low temperatures.
4-50 Cobra and Sikorsky and 60+ F-16's for combat and bombardment, and F-4's for reconnaissance missions are also working in the operation area
5-Unmanned Israeli-made "Heron" spy aircrafts are also operational in the area.
6-They use old but modernized M-60 A-1's instead of Panzers available. Maybe a good choice b/o lack of an organized army in the other side. Those M-60 's have fortified armours, two machine guns with automatic targeting systems, thermal cameras,  and 450 km range. Highest speed: 60 km's.
7- Also 25 km range 120 mm Howitzers.


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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2008, 04:07:20 AM »

My favorite quote: "Washington also raised concerns".

Yes well one would think it would raise a little more than an eyebrow. Smiley

Not more than that. They need a stick for their "Carrot & Stick" policy against Northern Iraqis. Independence to be the carrot, Turks and Arabs to be the sticks. In fact, the Turkish-American relations  is a big puzzle including some parts in Iran territories.

By the way, US have raised a lot of sympathy through her latest moves among the man on the Turkish streets.

Dude what do you exactly mean when you talk about big puzzle including some parts of iranian territories?

1-PKK's Iranian branch fights against Iranians with full support from US (Of course).  Now most PKK terrorists escaping towards Iran and joining their Iranian counterpart "PJAK". After that point they will be under western protection and be supported. This is a funny story.

2-US is still seeking Turkish support for a potential military conflict with Iran.
3-Southeastern Turkey is the best route for a future US military withdrawal and US also seeking help for that too.


Hmmm! This reminds me of US's financing of a TV channel and broadcasting propaganda in a failed attempt to create divisions between persians and their iranian ethnic azeris inside Iran!
Iran and Turkey always claimed that PJAK is a branch of PKK but according to founding members of PJAK, the group started in Iran around 1997 as an entirely peaceful student-based human rights movement. PJAK was inspired by the success of Iraq's Kurdish autonomous region and by the PKK's struggle in Turkey. Discouraged by the failure of previous Kurdish revolts, however, PJAK's leaders initially worked only to maintain and build a Kurdish national identity and to thwart the Iranian government's attempts to re-brand Iranian Kurds as ethnic Persians or Aryans. PJAK has often adopted a 'hit and run' type of attack against the iranian forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PJAK
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