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« on: February 25, 2008, 06:32:59 AM » |
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Are you for or against healthcare for all people regardless of their income or ability to pay?
I'm just curious as to where everyone stands on this issue. I'm a little confused as to exactly how Hillary or Barrack are going to makes us pay for it, despite their debates I think they're both covering the truth of exactly what their plans entail financially speaking. So let's just say that everyone pays - through taxes - and starting tomorrow you pay 0$ to go to the doctor, all insurance companies are out of business, and we have universal healthcare with doctors whose primary concerns are with your health, not with giving you prescriptions or tests you don't need. A very idealistic and simplistic version, I know. Are you for or against this idea?
I personally believe that everyone has the right to be treated medically for whatever comes up without fear of going bankrupt whether they work at Wal-mart or on Wall Street, so I am for.
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2008, 06:41:33 AM » |
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I'm on the fence about this one.
On one hand, I see the need for everyone to have access. On the other hand, I see serious problems with abuse of the system. I also think that there must be some kind of incentive for healthy living.
Up until this point, I can't envision how this is going to work well.
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2008, 07:19:09 AM » |
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Healthcare, immigration and education: the 3 topics where I don't know where to stand on.
Everyone deserves to get good health care but at the same time there needs to be limited government involvement in it.
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2008, 07:22:38 AM » |
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Everyone deserves to get good health care but at the same time there needs to be limited government involvement in it. Agreed. It is a complex issue and our government doesn't have a great track record on solving complex issues.
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2008, 07:30:20 AM » |
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I am so tired of hearing what everybody is entitled to.
You are entitled to die.
Everything else you must work for or take at the expense of somebody else.
I am all for helping the poor, including helping them, especially children, with access to preventive medicine and care.
But Universal Free Healthcare?
It is like the joke about the one legged dog trying to cross the busy rush hour freeway.
Hint: You take the "f" out of "Free" and the "f" out of way.
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2008, 07:36:23 AM » |
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You are entitled to die. That sounds like something out of Lethal Weapon. I am all for helping the poor, including helping them, especially children, with access to preventive medicine and care.
But Universal Free Healthcare? I'm unsure of it myself but I don't think that its free either.
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2008, 07:43:59 AM » |
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I am so tired of hearing what everybody is entitled to. My wife was born a diabetic. She is fortunate enough to work in a doctor office and has pretty good health insurance. She also has access to meds. She couldn't get insurance anywhere else because of pre-existing conditions. That doesn't seem fair to me. THAT, we have to do something about, IMO.
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2008, 07:52:32 AM » |
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You are entitled to die. That sounds like something out of Lethal Weapon. I am all for helping the poor, including helping them, especially children, with access to preventive medicine and care.
But Universal Free Healthcare? I'm unsure of it myself but I don't think that its free either. It is for everybody who doesn't have to pay in, but gets the benefit.
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2008, 08:00:27 AM » |
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Oh, you Americans. So apprehensive of basic public services. A truly rational society is one that is designed to ensure that people receive all necessities.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2008, 08:25:59 AM » |
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ensure that people receive all necessities. Agreed. For us, it is the definition of 'necessities' that we are grappling with.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2008, 08:42:46 AM » |
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I seem to agree with the people who have already posted.
I know people need coverage... but I'm not keen on a federal program taking care of everyone. Congress switches allignment often and each party can choose to increase or decrease funding... and this isn't good.
Health care can't be funded on a slinky.
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2008, 09:12:15 AM » |
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And for a world superpower you'd think we as a country would've figured out how to solve this problem already, just like we should know what to do about energy.
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2008, 09:25:02 AM » |
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We are a nation of profit. That's why the problem is already solved. Only some people get health coverage and those who do will have to fight with their insurance to cover what should be covered.
If a child is born with a disability and may only be able to work at McDonalds for the rest of their life, they should still be able to have access to affordable quality healthcare. A nation who lets the weaker people die off is not a nation I particularly want to live in.
The only thing we can all expect is birth, life, and death, so that's not exactly a good argument for what we are entitled to. This is the United States. If THE superpower in the world cannot take care of its citizens then how is that power being used correctly?
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2008, 09:34:29 AM » |
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Actually I wouldn't say that our problem is solved just yet. I searched around and picked up this map of health care from Wikipedia and I think it speaks for itself.
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2008, 10:45:23 AM » |
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say we Americans have too much freedom and not enough democracy.
As a democracy we have decided that we do not have the right to exploit others, we don't have the freedom to kill people, we don't have the freedom to steal, we don't have the right to be imune to radical and offensive ideas...
There ARE freedoms we should choose to destroy so long as we choose them as a society.
You do not have the right to own 2 homes, 4 cars and a yacht while not paying taxes to help those that don't have a home...
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