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Author Topic: Nader: "Obama is too pro-Israel"  (Read 1083 times)
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« Reply #45 on: February 29, 2008, 12:33:59 PM »

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I'm amazed, because I'm registred in three other forums (2 in english, one in french...) all is going right, I even get many discussion with israelis posters who are more objective than you!---the matter is only in IAP who seems living under phobia!

Stay cool man; it's a DISCUSSION not war...

no we're not the only ones and actually propaganda is the first weapon of war so whether or not this is a war would depend on how seriously you take it.

So....lemmie just search Shehrazad and Untouchables from the archives for a moment and make a judgement on just how seriously YOU take the whole say-anything-at-all-so-long-as-it's-anti-Jew thing shall we?

Hmm...can't seem to find even one thread that isn't about something negetive about Jews or Israel. So it would seem you take it VERY seriously - to the tune of 2-3 new threads per day. So I think it's YOU who thinks of this as a war Untouchables. You're here every day with your propaganda, and that's all it is - even tunnle-viewing factual info is a type of propaganda and you go far worse than that - so one could only conclude it's YOU on a mission not the rest of us.

BTW - can you link us to the english sites you post on that don't "have a problem" with your material? Or do you not want to reveal them?



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« Reply #46 on: February 29, 2008, 12:42:06 PM »

What do you mean by "dubious"?

new term of your improved rules or just new tactical replies, I don't know..


I have had this conversation with you a million times UT.

Its all to do with what can be proven or can't be.

What I mean is that 85% of your posts from here come from race hate sites(iamthewitness, jew watch, radio islam, etc) which are just hate sites set up purely to distribute anti semitic propoganda around the net. You go there and spam 2-3 article a day from there without even checking it. You hope that no one checks the source and just accept it as fact, but if they challenge you on it, you just google something on it, and bluff it out using your techniques of diversion, changing what people say or editing your prior posts as if you had correctly sourced it from the start.

The trouble with these sites is that the majority of information is unchecked. Iamthewitness, jew watch, don't check or validate the information they are getting it. They just print it as fact. The sources they get it from, Rense, Aztlan etc, don't check it either.

So from there, you get lies or mass exagerrations going around the internet.

Some anonymous person from a supposed safehouse in New Zealand emails some story about being kidnapped by the mossad for passports, it is printed onto some garbage conspiracy site and you post it as fact.

Iamthewitness runs a rubbish story about jews eating babies from a fraud I Shamir, and you post it here as fact.

So, that is the snapshot of the reliability of your information, where it comes from and how you post it.

Everyone else uses media outlets for their information. Yes, it may be biased and there is no guarantee that is 100% accurate, but the difference between media outlets and your source, is that they check, double check and triple check the information and verify the sources. Because if they don't, they can be sued.

So, back to your question, that is what I mean by dubious. They come from race hate sites and they are unchecked.

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« Reply #47 on: February 29, 2008, 12:47:01 PM »

Lets take a look at where this propaganda story came from and what Nader really said about Obama, the Palestinians and Israel:

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Here's what Nader said about Obama and his Palestinian-Israeli views on "Meet the Press.":

"But Senator Obama is a person of substance. He's also the first liberal evangelist in a long time. He's run a brilliant tactical campaign. But his better instincts and his knowledge have been censored by himself.

And I give you the example, the Palestinian-Israeli issue, which is a real off the table issue for the candidates. So don't touch that, even though it's central to our security and to, to the situation in the Middle East. He was pro-Palestinian when he was in Illinois before he ran for the state Senate, during he ran--during the state Senate. Now he's, he's supporting the Israeli destruction of the tiny section called Gaza with a million and a half people. He doesn't have any sympathy for a civilian death ratio of about 300-to-1; 300 Palestinians to one Israeli.


He's not taking a leadership position in supporting the Israeli peace movement, which represents former Cabinet ministers, people in the Knesset, former generals, former security officials, in addition to mayors and leading intellectuals. One would think he would at least say, "Let's have a hearing for the Israeli peace movement in the Congress," so we don't just have a monotone support of the Israeli"


http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/02/sweet_ralph_nader_to_make_thir.html

That's it. That's all. now no one wants to quote him directly but instead characterise what Nader said and put words in his mouth.

BTW- that's not a blog, it's an editorial from the Chicago Sun, and a direct transcript from "Meet the Press" where this all started.

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« Reply #48 on: February 29, 2008, 12:51:06 PM »

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The trouble with these sites is that the majority of information is unchecked. Iamthewitness, jew watch, don't check or validate the information they are getting it. They just print it as fact. The sources they get it from, Rense, Aztlan etc, don't check it either.

So from there, you get lies or mass exagerrations going around the internet.

Bingo.
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« Reply #49 on: February 29, 2008, 11:25:34 PM »

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The trouble with these sites is that the majority of information is unchecked. Iamthewitness, jew watch, don't check or validate the information they are getting it. They just print it as fact. The sources they get it from, Rense, Aztlan etc, don't check it either.

So from there, you get lies or mass exagerrations going around the internet.

Bingo.

 Cheesy you bingo, what you skip the part where Abe Foxxman described Dr Ralph Nader  as a Bigot/jew Hater?!!
http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c37_a4596/News/National.html

Following your logic, He's surely a stormfront/racist/white suprmacist/nazi intellectual---
and checking your posts give the feeling that Foxman is putting his words in your mouth or like "twin brothers "

from all your long speech; YOU didn't say why you locked a thread from "Israeli press"?!

god bless and help you.

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Hmm...can't seem to find even one thread that isn't about something negetive about Jews or Israel.
You are sure?

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Lets take a look at where this propaganda story came from and what Nader really said about Obama, the Palestinians and Israel:

Of course, it's exclusively allowed for you to quote from Blogs!! Kiss

But when Shehrazad re-wrote "the same title of Jewish site JTA; it becomes hate and lie?!

Thanks to prove nothing just dishonesty.
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« Reply #50 on: February 29, 2008, 11:39:52 PM »


Thanks to prove nothing just dishonesty.

YOU are dishonest Untouchables, in all manner of ways.

This is the fourth time I have asked you this question, and still you havn't answered.

You said(on more than one occassion)

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i have yet said that my daily sources are Israeli press; because they are honest and free.

And I have asked you four times

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What israeli press did you get these from?

1) Mexican congress being blown up by Mossad

2) Mossad killing Australians for passports

3)Jews eating babies hundreds of years ago

4)Mossad caught in Iraq because they were wearing jews hats

How about being honest and answering the question?  Smiley
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« Reply #51 on: February 29, 2008, 11:48:28 PM »

What do you mean by "dubious"?

new term of your improved rules or just new tactical replies, I don't know..


I have had this conversation with you a million times UT.

Its all to do with what can be proven or can't be.

What I mean is that 85% of your posts from here come from race hate sites(iamthewitness, jew watch, radio islam, etc) which are just hate sites set up purely to distribute anti semitic propoganda around the net. You go there and spam 2-3 article a day from there without even checking it. You hope that no one checks the source and just accept it as fact, but if they challenge you on it, you just google something on it, and bluff it out using your techniques of diversion, changing what people say or editing your prior posts as if you had correctly sourced it from the start.

The trouble with these sites is that the majority of information is unchecked. Iamthewitness, jew watch, don't check or validate the information they are getting it. They just print it as fact. The sources they get it from, Rense, Aztlan etc, don't check it either.

So from there, you get lies or mass exagerrations going around the internet.

Some anonymous person from a supposed safehouse in New Zealand emails some story about being kidnapped by the mossad for passports, it is printed onto some garbage conspiracy site and you post it as fact.

Iamthewitness runs a rubbish story about jews eating babies from a fraud I Shamir, and you post it here as fact.

So, that is the snapshot of the reliability of your information, where it comes from and how you post it.

Everyone else uses media outlets for their information. Yes, it may be biased and there is no guarantee that is 100% accurate, but the difference between media outlets and your source, is that they check, double check and triple check the information and verify the sources. Because if they don't, they can be sued.

So, back to your question, that is what I mean by dubious. They come from race hate sites and they are unchecked.



I have yet explained that you lie at yourself or you are really limited, ...what do you call hate sources are not news-sources, they collect news from everywhere and make their own judgement!

IF you really denounce Hate movts as you presumed :
I'm still amazed, why you didn't admit that white supremacists collaborated with zionists in south Africa--?!

Again, you said that most of my topics are present in stormfront without any light of proof ( just a hidden topic from 2001 without answer) !

those are some of topics taken from Israelis sources :

Rabbi of Israel thanks Bush for war on Iraq
ADL slams patriarch christmas speech
ADL  slams Orthodox church speech
Ariel Toaff book
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/824152.html
Rabbi chief sex scandal
Dr Filnkelstein expelled from University
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« Reply #52 on: February 29, 2008, 11:58:04 PM »


I have yet explained that you lie at yourself or you are really limited, ...what do you call hate sources are not news-sources, they collect news from everywhere and make their own judgement!


Crap. They collect unsubstantiated anti semitic ramblings from anywhere on the net; other anti semitic sites, conspriacy sites, anywhere. And you spam it on to forums without even checking whether it is accurate or not.

What percentage of stuff from Iamthewitness and jew watch come from legitimate news sources? If it is more than 10% I would be surprised. It wouldn't surprise me if it was closer to 2%- 5%.
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« Reply #53 on: March 01, 2008, 12:05:36 AM »

Cheesy you bingo, what you skip the part where Abe Foxxman described Dr Ralph Nader  as a Bigot/jew Hater?!!
http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c37_a4596/News/National.html

Following your logic, He's surely a stormfront/racist/white suprmacist/nazi intellectual---
and checking your posts give the feeling that Foxman is putting his words in your mouth or like "twin brothers "

from all your long speech; YOU didn't say why you locked a thread from "Israeli press"?!

god bless and help you.

What on earth are you talking about Untouchables? Ahk is saying that you are not looking at the transcript of what actually was said in the interview, rather just looking at third party opinions on it in blogs.


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Of course, it's exclusively allowed for you to quote from Blogs!! Kiss

He didn't quote from a blog. He gave a link to the transcript of the interview. For people to read word for word what was said rather than relying on you cherry picking bits and pieces of it.

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But when Shehrazad re-wrote "the same title of Jewish site JTA; it becomes hate and lie?!

BTW Untouchables, it could be my over sensitive virus checker, but the last link you gave, my system(which is not 100% accurate it has to be said) says contains a virus. So be careful if you click on it  Smiley

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« Reply #54 on: March 01, 2008, 12:12:51 AM »

Why you skip my other points/questions?
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« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2008, 12:32:49 AM »

Why you skip my other points/questions?

A more appropriate question is why should we address any of them at all?
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« Reply #56 on: March 01, 2008, 12:57:31 AM »

Why you skip my other points/questions?

A more appropriate question is why should we address any of them at all?

Abraxas, you are a good guy, and I agree with most of your posts---I think it would be useless to enter in debate with you.
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« Reply #57 on: March 01, 2008, 06:44:39 AM »

Why because he is honest and has good intentions while you do not?
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« Reply #58 on: March 01, 2008, 03:31:50 PM »

My oh my, just dropped by to read awhile to check out how thing are going on IAP and it seems the same old discussion continues, but without much change other than the candidate of discussion for the day.

Interestingly, reading on Haaretz earlier, the real GOP presumptive candidate appears to believe Obama isn't supportive enough of Israel and it is asserted McCain plans to use that should Obama be the Democratic candidate. But is this just one more factor where McCain's claim won't hold water?  While on the other hand there are criticisms against Obama accusing others of being xenophobic. Posters will need to read for both columns, but I assume there are some who might.

Last update - 15:50 29/02/2008         

When McCain and Obama face off, Israel may find itself in the eye of the storm

By Shmuel Rosner, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: U.S. Elections, Iraq, Obama
The Republican contender is counting on the American voters' hatred for anything that reeks of defeat.

Republican contender John McCain's campaign team is preparing files with incriminating information about Democratic candidate Barack Obama. McCain's advisers are eagerly looking forward to the great debate between these two candidates.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/959362.html


Stop Calling Me A Jew! Barack Obama and the Politics of Xenophobia           
Written by Remi Kanazi      
Saturday, 01 March 2008
by Remi Kanazi

Barack Obama is not a Jew. He was not raised a Jew, has never been a Jew, and is a committed Christian. Nor has Obama ever prayed in a temple. According to a CNN reporter that is referenced on Obama’s website, Indonesian yeshivas (including the one Obama attended) are not radical yeshivas—unlike the ones in Israel and Brooklyn. Obama is so not Jewish, that even his Jewish stepfather, wasn’t really a Jew. Obama has stated that his stepfather had a “skeptical bent, a man who saw religion as not particularly useful in the practical business of making one’s way in the world.” Obama’s stepfather grew up in Indonesia, a country with the largest Jewish population in the world. To be exactly clear, visit Obama’s page.

http://atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/3496/81/

Does any of this actually make a big difference in the current campaigns most especially considering that IMHO, Nader means little to either?


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« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2008, 03:16:36 AM »

I like Apple Pie ala mode..

why do you guys fight with this guy?  He is a racist piece of crap that does not deserve a response.
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