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A new frontier in the war against terrorism & Wahabism: This is absolutely something that no Christian country can achieve; only a Muslim country with "contemporary common sense" can do it. Reformation in Islam is a must and it has started officially: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/27/turkey.islam |
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2008, 02:39:20 AM » |
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A new frontier in the war against terrorism & Wahabism: This is absolutely something that no Christian country can achieve; only a Muslim country with "contemporary common sense" can do it. Reformation in Islam is a must and it has started officially: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/27/turkey.islamI hope Ergodan is successful, he is doing what I have been saying Islam should have been doing all along. That is to reduce the Wahabism, or better yet, rid Islam of such nonsense. The question remains is will all Muslim nations follow suite? |
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2008, 04:23:56 PM » |
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It is not reformation per se. Islam is a dynmic religion that has to be constantly reinterprated in light of the prevailing era. The fact that it has been made to stagnate for about 2.5-3 centuries is due to nothing but political struggles within Islam itself. This acutally is nothing new, this is something that has been time and time again in the past of Islamic societies, the fact that a couple of narrowminded so called scholars claimed about 300 years ago that all possible interprations of Quran had been done has cost millions of people lots of grief, suffering and impovireshment...... A new frontier in the war against terrorism & Wahabism: This is absolutely something that no Christian country can achieve; only a Muslim country with "contemporary common sense" can do it. Reformation in Islam is a must and it has started officially: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/27/turkey.islam |
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2008, 09:09:17 PM » |
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It is not reformation per se. Islam is a dynmic religion that has to be constantly reinterprated in light of the prevailing era. The fact that it has been made to stagnate for about 2.5-3 centuries is due to nothing but political struggles within Islam itself. This acutally is nothing new, this is something that has been time and time again in the past of Islamic societies, the fact that a couple of narrowminded so called scholars claimed about 300 years ago that all possible interprations of Quran had been done has cost millions of people lots of grief, suffering and impovireshment...... A new frontier in the war against terrorism & Wahabism: This is absolutely something that no Christian country can achieve; only a Muslim country with "contemporary common sense" can do it. Reformation in Islam is a must and it has started officially: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/27/turkey.islamYou finally admit to Wahabiism? That's a first.  |
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« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2008, 01:41:12 PM » |
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Adapting certain customs and religious laws to the times we live in makes sense. I don’t see what the supposed fuss is all about.
However, each society lives in and lived within its own social norms. Does that mean hadiths and other guidelines provided to muslims should be 'adapted' to the society they live in. I'm not sure.
But if the ONLY thing turks are doing is adding further explanations for every hadith or sayings etc. that probably is fine.
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« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2008, 01:58:04 PM » |
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Adapting certain customs and religious laws to the times we live in makes sense. I don’t see what the supposed fuss is all about.
However, each society lives in and lived within its own social norms. Does that mean hadiths and other guidelines provided to muslims should be 'adapted' to the society they live in. I'm not sure.
But if the ONLY thing turks are doing is adding further explanations for every hadith or sayings etc. that probably is fine.
The fuss is about what all the other Muslim nations will make of Ergodans 'refreshing' the interpretation of the Quran and what the Wahabi's will do. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2008, 02:14:57 PM » |
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How wahabis will react is up to them. Just because the turks have re-interpretated the hadiths you can't force it upon others to accept it!
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« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2008, 02:27:28 PM » |
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How wahabis will react is up to them. Just because the turks have re-interpretated the hadiths you can't force it upon others to accept it!
Watch kactus, the Wahabi's will chuck a wobbly! |
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2008, 08:31:48 PM » |
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You all must remember the the USA created the terrorists. Which country propped up the Saudi Monarchs and Al Qaedea? The USA, Chaps!
And the US foreign policy--propping up dictators throughout the region, bombing of civilians, severe economic sanctions, etc.--all leads to hate. So don't give that BS that Islam is at fault. It's just that Muslims react to such autocracies--which makes them "terrorists."
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2008, 09:07:22 PM » |
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You all must remember the the USA created the terrorists. Which country propped up the Saudi Monarchs and Al Qaedea? The USA, Chaps!
And the US foreign policy--propping up dictators throughout the region, bombing of civilians, severe economic sanctions, etc.--all leads to hate. So don't give that BS that Islam is at fault. It's just that Muslims react to such autocracies--which makes them "terrorists."
Extreme Wahabism Islamic terrorists are at fault. No excuses acorn nut. The radical Islamist terrorists are being hunted down like the rabid dogs they are as we speak. Are you next?  |
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2008, 10:00:25 PM » |
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Extreme Wahabism Islamic terrorists are at fault. No excuses acorn nut. The radical Islamist terrorists are being hunted down like the rabid dogs they are as we speak. Are you next? -Terry Mathis
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I am not next--I will never commit terrorism of any kind. I will never kill.
Apparently, you have no knowledge on the matter. Your argument is not logical--why would Muslim terrorists only attack places that hurt the Arab peoples? The answer is quite obvious. You cannot ignore US foreign policy if you want to make coherent arguments. I suggest you pick up a history book.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2008, 10:15:16 PM » |
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You all must remember the the USA created the terrorists. Which country propped up the Saudi Monarchs and Al Qaedea? The USA, Chaps!
And the US foreign policy--propping up dictators throughout the region, bombing of civilians, severe economic sanctions, etc.--all leads to hate. So don't give that BS that Islam is at fault. It's just that Muslims react to such autocracies--which makes them "terrorists."
The problem with this kind of argument is that you are trying to justify the actions of the terrorists. By doing so you are deluding yourself and your own moral compass. What you must do is judge the actions by the US and the terrorists separately. You must examine US foreign policy in one instance and examine actions by the terrorists in another. Even if we accept that US foreign policy is partly to blame(I myself believe that there are major flaws in US foreign policy) you cannot possibly use this to excuse the actions of these terrorists. If someone does the wrong thing by me, it doesn't give me the right to try and kill as many related people as possible. That is just not right. And yet you are trying to justify these terrorists by putting the entire blame on the US. So, if a country sticks their nose into another countries business, it gives people the right to blow up as many people as possible? This kind of thinking defies the logic of what is right and wrong IMO. |
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2008, 10:24:48 PM » |
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So, if a country sticks their nose into another countries business, it gives people the right to blow up as many people as possible?--Jericoacoara You must be referring to the US in Iraq--at least 600,000 Iraqi civilians died since the war began. Even if we accept that US foreign policy is partly to blame(I myself believe that there are major flaws in US foreign policy) you cannot possibly use this to excuse the actions of these terrorists.--Jericoacoara I am not saying that terrorism is ok or anything. But, if the US learnt more why terrorists hate us, then it wouldn’t have invaded Iraq, thus causing more hate. But, might I ask, what excuse do we have for invading Iraq and hurting millions of civilians? Or, for propping up dictators in many Muslim countries? |
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2008, 06:10:10 PM » |
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acorn,
The more I look at terrorist actions, the more I doubt they do what they do because of the US, or because the US killed many muslims in Iraq or whatever the US did on muslim land.
They action doesn't fit this thesis. They don't act like a resistance movement. They don't even have a coherent patern in chosing their targets. Even their message is unclear.
They want american soldiers out of Iraq? Fine, that's we all want.
So why do they make suicide bombing at Baghdad's bazaar?
Why do they do so many crual attacks with no connection at all with The-US-in-Iraq?
I think al-Qaida is dealing with the US they way they did, but their main goal is somewhere else.
IMO, with or without the US, with or without hatred for the US, they would still be around doing nasty things.
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