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Author Topic: Iran is an opportunity, not a target  (Read 3347 times)
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« Reply #120 on: June 08, 2008, 08:02:31 AM »

Ah fuck you Prophet. Time is up for another therapy session.
The only terrorist I can think of are the likes of you who are instigating the US for another attack on another country. Israel knows fully well that initiating such an attack on Iran will have serious consequences. That's why your pathetic government is in US kissing the arse of AIPAC and Bush.

Leave the family out peace of shit. This is a forum for discussion not brining in family. But I guess that's pretty normal in Israel. It is actually holiday here as it's Sunday. What do you do today? Piss on the wall and pray those palis reduce in numbers probably. You are one of those hotheads who says a lot on threads but not much substance in reality.
 
This is my last response to you as you are a troll and do not add any value to these conversations.
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« Reply #121 on: June 08, 2008, 10:40:59 AM »

Wheres my F-16 to bomb this stone throwing kiddo?

This is my last response to you as you are a troll and do not add any value to these conversations.

Oh, noes ... This ain't the first time you that that though.

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« Reply #122 on: June 08, 2008, 11:31:08 AM »

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Israel is the only nation in the ME with nuclear weaponry
It's like saying that France is the only nuclear power in the West Mediterranean region. So what?
If Iran has nuke, it won't "balance against Israel": It will be simply the sole nuclear power in the Persic Gulf region, a place where Israel's influence and interrests are almost null.

If Ahmadinejahd talks about the "disparition of Israel" (unless we make "translation mistakes" everytime he opens his mouth), it's only because the idea is popular among muslims and useful at a propaganda level.
What Iran wants is not playing the Robin Hoods in Hezbuland to defeat the zionists, their nukes will serve much higher and ambitious pruposes.
Iran is a failed regime. Even with huge oil revenues they have little international power, a weak economy, an a very low popularity. So their only way is to get one more card in their game.

You know: the Islamic Revolution is at stake.
As it was supposed to pave the way for the Return of the XII-th Imam, we can understand their worries.
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« Reply #123 on: June 08, 2008, 11:53:50 AM »

Techincally speaking by Iran becoming a nuclear if that's the case it won't change the balance of power but it will change the monopoly status that Israel has enjoyed for many years. That's what is at stake not the 24/7 scare stories about Iran's threat of nuclear weapon. btw it's 'persian gulf' not 'persic gulf'.

The translation is wrong and he never said he will "wipe Israel off the map". I hate the guy not for what he has said but for the promises he has made about economy and hasn't delivered. Like any other politicians really.

Indeed this is the question that many iraninas ask themselves what is Ahmadienejad doing with these high oil prices? The fact is the sanctions are taking their toll on ordinary iranians. Their concern is not the dirty games of politics but their prosperity. He is unpopular but if one had a choice between Ahmadienejad and the constant rhetorics and threats of an attack by the USrael the tendency is to chose the former.
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« Reply #124 on: June 08, 2008, 01:18:27 PM »

Iran with a nuclear weapon changes everything. One, it immediately counters Israel's nuclear capabilities. Two, the fact of proliferation must be addressed. Israel isn't looking to provide the more unbalanced and extremist entities in the arena with the same technology, Iran certainly will. Three, the oil producing nations must now realize Iran can close the Straits of Hormuz.

It's not gonna happen.
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« Reply #125 on: June 08, 2008, 01:30:50 PM »

Iran with a nuclear weapon changes everything.

No it doesn't. Plus they don't have the capability. Refer to NIE.

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One, it immediately counters Israel's nuclear capabilities.

Nope, Israel loses the monopoly status f that's true. That's all.

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Two, the fact of proliferation must be addressed.

Iran does not have nuclear capability to date. Point irrelevant.

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Israel isn't looking to provide the more unbalanced and extremist entities in the arena with the same technology, Iran certainly will.

Point is subjective and you are entitled to it.

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Three, the oil producing nations must now realize Iran can close the Straits of Hormuz.

This will happen ANYWAY if Israel decides to attack Iran unprovoked, which I have been saying it will have economic repercussion for the west as well as political. Hence an attack will only escalate into crisis.

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It's not gonna happen.

Nothing has happened but just speculation. You can speculate as much as you like. That's all there is.
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« Reply #126 on: June 08, 2008, 01:33:19 PM »

Iran with a nuclear weapon changes everything. One, it immediately counters Israel's nuclear capabilities. Two, the fact of proliferation must be addressed. Israel isn't looking to provide the more unbalanced and extremist entities in the arena with the same technology, Iran certainly will. Three, the oil producing nations must now realize Iran can close the Straits of Hormuz.

It's not gonna happen.


Iran will not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon and to equate Iran's stone age attempt to neutralize an estimated 400+ accurate nuclear missiles that Israel has (some in South Africa) is sheer nonsense.
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« Reply #127 on: June 08, 2008, 01:38:39 PM »

Iran with a nuclear weapon changes everything. One, it immediately counters Israel's nuclear capabilities. Two, the fact of proliferation must be addressed. Israel isn't looking to provide the more unbalanced and extremist entities in the arena with the same technology, Iran certainly will. Three, the oil producing nations must now realize Iran can close the Straits of Hormuz.

It's not gonna happen.


Iran will not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon and to equate Iran's stone age attempt to neutralize an estimated 400+ accurate nuclear missiles that Israel has (some in South Africa) is sheer nonsense.

400+ matey! jeesh. How is the weather down under?
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« Reply #128 on: June 08, 2008, 01:40:02 PM »

Iran will not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon and to equate Iran's stone age attempt to neutralize an estimated 400+ accurate nuclear missiles that Israel has (some in South Africa) is sheer nonsense.

You even more optimistic than the terrorist girl, 400+ nuclear warheads. Whohooho. One point you miss is that even one modern nuclear device can wipe half of Israeli population. Nowadays ain't Japan of 45' that caused nearly more than 200.000 direct deaths and ten times more indirect. Today a device can take major piece of land.

Ask terrorist girl, she surely knows about bomb and Israeli nuclear devices.
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« Reply #129 on: June 08, 2008, 01:40:35 PM »

Iran with a nuclear weapon changes everything. One, it immediately counters Israel's nuclear capabilities. Two, the fact of proliferation must be addressed. Israel isn't looking to provide the more unbalanced and extremist entities in the arena with the same technology, Iran certainly will. Three, the oil producing nations must now realize Iran can close the Straits of Hormuz.

It's not gonna happen.


Iran will not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon and to equate Iran's stone age attempt to neutralize an estimated 400+ accurate nuclear missiles that Israel has (some in South Africa) is sheer nonsense.

400+! Cracky. How is the weather down under?
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« Reply #130 on: June 08, 2008, 01:43:12 PM »

Iran with a nuclear weapon changes everything. One, it immediately counters Israel's nuclear capabilities. Two, the fact of proliferation must be addressed. Israel isn't looking to provide the more unbalanced and extremist entities in the arena with the same technology, Iran certainly will. Three, the oil producing nations must now realize Iran can close the Straits of Hormuz.

It's not gonna happen.


Iran will not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon and to equate Iran's stone age attempt to neutralize an estimated 400+ accurate nuclear missiles that Israel has (some in South Africa) is sheer nonsense.

Look mate, you will even get our little paranoid friend here 'Prophet' getting tantrums saying you are talking crap. Oh no he has already done that.
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« Reply #131 on: June 08, 2008, 01:43:24 PM »

Iran will not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon and to equate Iran's stone age attempt to neutralize an estimated 400+ accurate nuclear missiles that Israel has (some in South Africa) is sheer nonsense.

You even more optimistic than the terrorist girl, 400+ nuclear warheads. Whohooho. One point you miss is that even one modern nuclear device can wipe half of Israeli population. Nowadays ain't Japan of 45' that caused nearly more than 200.000 direct deaths and ten times more indirect. Today a device can take major piece of land.

Ask terrorist girl, she surely knows about bomb and Israeli nuclear devices.


I don't need to ask anyone anything mate.  Wink
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« Reply #132 on: June 08, 2008, 02:34:05 PM »

This will happen ANYWAY if Israel decides to attack Iran unprovoked, which I have been saying it will have economic repercussion for the west as well as political. Hence an attack will only escalate into crisis.

There have been many crisis, many escalations in this arena. Oil tankers have had to be reflagged with American Flags, we have stopped mining efforts by the Iranians, it's the reason we steam strait up the Iranian Hormuz today. No, they cannot close the Strait. They've a large serpent keeping this from happening, it's been there for decades and has successfully kept the Straits open from Iranian choke efforts. Called the United States Navy.

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Nothing has happened but just speculation. You can speculate as much as you like. That's all there is.

I speculate nothing. The Iranians have already admitted to enriching uranium, they are seeking a nuclear program they claim is civilian. Resisting US, Euro, and Russian assistance to make sure this program remains civilian, the Iranians in full international opposition continue to ignore the UN and facilitate international terrorism.

Now, if you're an Israeli or an American or a European, or an Arab, or if you're just about f'n anyone, any prudent policy must assume Iran is going through lengths to hide a military nuclear weapons program. Having nuclear weapons solves much of their problems, it gives them strengths in negotiations or war.

And we won't tolerate it, it's quite simple.
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« Reply #133 on: June 08, 2008, 10:23:58 PM »

I don't need to ask anyone anything mate.  Wink

You do need, like a web programmer explained to you how JavaScript different from Java, a terrorist can explain you how legacy nuclear device different from new. So quantity of Israeli nukes doesn't matter if Israeli sworn enemy has even one. Also i'm not you mate, guy.
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