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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2007, 12:13:37 AM » |
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If there were truly human rationality on any significant scale, Social Fascism would reign over the world.
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2007, 07:20:27 AM » |
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I would think Democracy or Communism because both rely on the power of the rational and intellegent public.
But then again, if the leaders and people of every type of government were "rational" it is unlikely any would be labled better than the other.
If everyone weas rational, this planet would be a lot better.
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2007, 08:50:39 AM » |
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I would think Democracy or Communism because both rely on the power of the rational and intellegent public.
But then again, if the leaders and people of every type of government were "rational" it is unlikely any would be labled better than the other.
If everyone weas rational, this planet would be a lot better.
Democracy rational? The perfect example of pure direct democracy in action is a lynch mob. Mob rule and nothing more. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2007, 09:06:58 AM » |
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I would think Democracy or Communism because both rely on the power of the rational and intellegent public.
But then again, if the leaders and people of every type of government were "rational" it is unlikely any would be labled better than the other.
If everyone weas rational, this planet would be a lot better.
Democracy rational? The perfect example of pure direct democracy in action is a lynch mob. Mob rule and nothing more. OswaldTheOsprey A lynch mob is irrational; if everyone was rational then democracy would be the perfect system. Nobody can rationally expect that people will avoid have dissenting opinions or will silence them. Dissenters could be right an everyone else be wrong, fai. Suppression of dissent means supression of error detection... |
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2007, 03:37:15 PM » |
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I would think Democracy or Communism because both rely on the power of the rational and intellegent public.
But then again, if the leaders and people of every type of government were "rational" it is unlikely any would be labled better than the other.
If everyone weas rational, this planet would be a lot better.
Democracy rational? The perfect example of pure direct democracy in action is a lynch mob. Mob rule and nothing more. OswaldTheOsprey A lynch mob is irrational; if everyone was rational then democracy would be the perfect system. Nobody can rationally expect that people will avoid have dissenting opinions or will silence them. Dissenters could be right an everyone else be wrong, fai. Suppression of dissent means supression of error detection... Of course a lynch mob is irrational but you can not escape the fact that it is the purest form of democracy. Democracy is based on egalitarianism which is totally preposterous. The one eternal and immutable fact of life is that of human inequality. In a democracy the stupid, the ignorant, the criminal and the greedy run the show. In sum, Democracy is the tyranny of the stupid over the intelligent and Social Fascism is the tyranny of the intelligent over the stupid. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2007, 04:37:32 PM » |
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I would think Democracy or Communism because both rely on the power of the rational and intellegent public.
But then again, if the leaders and people of every type of government were "rational" it is unlikely any would be labled better than the other.
If everyone weas rational, this planet would be a lot better.
Democracy rational? The perfect example of pure direct democracy in action is a lynch mob. Mob rule and nothing more. OswaldTheOsprey A lynch mob is irrational; if everyone was rational then democracy would be the perfect system. Nobody can rationally expect that people will avoid have dissenting opinions or will silence them. Dissenters could be right an everyone else be wrong, fai. Suppression of dissent means supression of error detection... Of course a lynch mob is irrational but you can not escape the fact that it is the purest form of democracy. Democracy is based on egalitarianism which is totally preposterous. The one eternal and immutable fact of life is that of human inequality. In a democracy the stupid, the ignorant, the criminal and the greedy run the show. In sum, Democracy is the tyranny of the stupid over the intelligent and Social Fascism is the tyranny of the intelligent over the stupid. OswaldTheOsprey Tyranny by majority. |
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2007, 04:46:49 PM » |
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I would think Democracy or Communism because both rely on the power of the rational and intellegent public.
But then again, if the leaders and people of every type of government were "rational" it is unlikely any would be labled better than the other.
If everyone weas rational, this planet would be a lot better.
Democracy rational? The perfect example of pure direct democracy in action is a lynch mob. Mob rule and nothing more. OswaldTheOsprey A lynch mob is irrational; if everyone was rational then democracy would be the perfect system. Nobody can rationally expect that people will avoid have dissenting opinions or will silence them. Dissenters could be right an everyone else be wrong, fai. Suppression of dissent means supression of error detection... Of course a lynch mob is irrational but you can not escape the fact that it is the purest form of democracy. Democracy is based on egalitarianism which is totally preposterous. The one eternal and immutable fact of life is that of human inequality. In a democracy the stupid, the ignorant, the criminal and the greedy run the show. In sum, Democracy is the tyranny of the stupid over the intelligent and Social Fascism is the tyranny of the intelligent over the stupid. OswaldTheOsprey Tyranny by majority. The worst type of tyranny. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2007, 04:18:54 AM » |
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I would think Democracy or Communism because both rely on the power of the rational and intellegent public.
But then again, if the leaders and people of every type of government were "rational" it is unlikely any would be labled better than the other.
If everyone weas rational, this planet would be a lot better.
Democracy rational? The perfect example of pure direct democracy in action is a lynch mob. Mob rule and nothing more. OswaldTheOsprey A lynch mob is irrational; if everyone was rational then democracy would be the perfect system. Nobody can rationally expect that people will avoid have dissenting opinions or will silence them. Dissenters could be right an everyone else be wrong, fai. Suppression of dissent means supression of error detection... Of course a lynch mob is irrational but you can not escape the fact that it is the purest form of democracy. Democracy is based on egalitarianism which is totally preposterous. The one eternal and immutable fact of life is that of human inequality. In a democracy the stupid, the ignorant, the criminal and the greedy run the show. In sum, Democracy is the tyranny of the stupid over the intelligent and Social Fascism is the tyranny of the intelligent over the stupid. OswaldTheOsprey ...where the definition of "inteligent" and "stupid" is written by the ones who rule as to the first include them and the second incldue everyone opposing them, right or wrong.  Tyranny is always the empire of particular arbitrarity under the disguise of reason or the threat of force. Democracy enables everyone to have a say in what arbitrarity must rule and how long until being confirmed or replaced. By the way, you say "tyranny of majority"? What is a "majroity", but INDIVIDUALS with a COMMON WILL? What you pretend, that the individual whose ideas are shared by most individuals loses all his rights for sake of "not tyrannize" the individual who disagres? Then this is TYRANNY as it comes, and in a TYRANNY the MOST suffer for the FEW... which you claim it's preferable over that a FEW suffer for the well of the MOST? (Not to mention, that a dmeocracy respects the few as part of its principles... unlike tyranny) |
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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2007, 05:53:52 AM » |
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If everybody was rational, anarchy would be the best system.
It's interesting though. I have held the belief that humans progressively become more rational as time goes on. In the early stages, concepts like religion were created in order to keep the irrational majority from remaining, well, irrational. Further down the road, different (and better) religions were created for the more rational, but still wholly irrational, majority. Also, better forms of government have evolved with the percentage of rational people growing.
If this keeps going, then in about a thousand years or so the majority of people will be rational, which would lead to either straight up democracies, or communism (ones that work). Plus religions will either die down or new ones will be created (for the more rational).
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2007, 07:23:18 AM » |
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I would think Democracy or Communism because both rely on the power of the rational and intellegent public.
But then again, if the leaders and people of every type of government were "rational" it is unlikely any would be labled better than the other.
If everyone weas rational, this planet would be a lot better.
Democracy rational? The perfect example of pure direct democracy in action is a lynch mob. Mob rule and nothing more. OswaldTheOsprey A lynch mob is irrational; if everyone was rational then democracy would be the perfect system. Nobody can rationally expect that people will avoid have dissenting opinions or will silence them. Dissenters could be right an everyone else be wrong, fai. Suppression of dissent means supression of error detection... Of course a lynch mob is irrational but you can not escape the fact that it is the purest form of democracy. Democracy is based on egalitarianism which is totally preposterous. The one eternal and immutable fact of life is that of human inequality. In a democracy the stupid, the ignorant, the criminal and the greedy run the show. In sum, Democracy is the tyranny of the stupid over the intelligent and Social Fascism is the tyranny of the intelligent over the stupid. OswaldTheOsprey ...where the definition of "inteligent" and "stupid" is written by the ones who rule as to the first include them and the second incldue everyone opposing them, right or wrong. Tyranny is always the empire of particular arbitrarity under the disguise of reason or the threat of force. Democracy enables everyone to have a say in what arbitrarity must rule and how long until being confirmed or replaced. By the way, you say "tyranny of majority"? What is a "majroity", but INDIVIDUALS with a COMMON WILL? What you pretend, that the individual whose ideas are shared by most individuals loses all his rights for sake of "not tyrannize" the individual who disagres? Then this is TYRANNY as it comes, and in a TYRANNY the MOST suffer for the FEW... which you claim it's preferable over that a FEW suffer for the well of the MOST? (Not to mention, that a dmeocracy respects the few as part of its principles... unlike tyranny) If this were a rational, civilized and intelligent country, all of the Bushes, Clintons and Kennedys would be in prison and Oprah Winfrey, Dr. Phil, Maury Povich, Rush Limbaugh, Al Franken, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Keith Olbermann, Jerry Springer, and Ann Coulter would be short order cooks. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2007, 07:57:51 AM » |
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And if Fascism was rational, then we would be speaking German here. |
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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2007, 08:01:01 AM » |
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If everybody was rational, anarchy would be the best system.
It's interesting though. I have held the belief that humans progressively become more rational as time goes on. In the early stages, concepts like religion were created in order to keep the irrational majority from remaining, well, irrational. Further down the road, different (and better) religions were created for the more rational, but still wholly irrational, majority. Also, better forms of government have evolved with the percentage of rational people growing.
If this keeps going, then in about a thousand years or so the majority of people will be rational, which would lead to either straight up democracies, or communism (ones that work). Plus religions will either die down or new ones will be created (for the more rational).
Check out Austrian Economics. Their belief is that if all human beings are held rational, the best system of government is no government at all. Just complete economic anarchy where everyone makes rational economic decisions in perfectly free markets; the supposedly most efficient way of doing things. And when that happens, there will be no more humans. But robots.  |
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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2007, 08:15:20 AM » |
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And if Fascism was rational, then we would be speaking German here. Not necessarily. Fascism is nationalistic rather than internationalistic. It adapts to each nation as to that nation's particular needs. OswaldTheOsprey |
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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2007, 09:03:54 AM » |
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And if Fascism was rational, then we would be speaking German here. Not necessarily. Fascism is nationalistic rather than internationalistic. It adapts to each nation as to that nation's particular needs. OswaldTheOsprey Oswald, are you in favor of Robert Heinlan's idea of a global federation as illustrated in his book "Starship Troopers?" |
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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2007, 10:10:30 AM » |
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And if Fascism was rational, then we would be speaking German here. Not necessarily. Fascism is nationalistic rather than internationalistic. It adapts to each nation as to that nation's particular needs. OswaldTheOsprey Oswald, are you in favor of Robert Heinlan's idea of a global federation as illustrated in his book "Starship Troopers?" I am more interested in individual nations controlling their own destiny. Social Fascism is the type of government I prefer as it is both nationalistic and socialistic (not National Socialism as it evolved in 1930s Germany however). Hope I answered your question. OswaldTheOsprey |
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