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« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2007, 12:47:41 PM »

If everybody was rational, anarchy would be the best system.

bullshit!

How rational.  Wink


anarchy will never be the best system. If people were rational it might be workable but the best system would always be one with an elected body to run things.
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« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2007, 06:44:41 PM »

One religion I came across seemed interesting; Foundationism.

What they do is sift through other religions and remove common themes that exist in all of them.

What a gem!  But after doing some research supposedly it isn't a real one?  Something that just appeared on Babylon 5...

A religion that looks at every world religion critically and then amasses all the similar themes together to show us that we all have the same wants and needs is a great way of embracing understanding and abolishing intolerance.  I like!

So, who wants to be my disciples?  Cheesy
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« Reply #47 on: September 29, 2007, 07:45:18 PM »

One religion I came across seemed interesting; Foundationism.

What they do is sift through other religions and remove common themes that exist in all of them.

What a gem!  But after doing some research supposedly it isn't a real one?  Something that just appeared on Babylon 5...

Damn... you cought me.

I'm a B5 fan and I couldn't resist.

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A religion that looks at every world religion critically and then amasses all the similar themes together to show us that we all have the same wants and needs is a great way of embracing understanding and abolishing intolerance.  I like!

So, who wants to be my disciples?  Cheesy

To be honest, considering the simplicity and universality of the concept, I'm surprised there isn't some kind of movement. I'm sure the agnostics of this world would love it if it had some literature (other than a SciFi show) to go off of.
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« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2007, 07:32:07 PM »

Intelligence, rationality and logic are all essentially the same thing: The ability to recognize, predict and copy a pattern.

Seriously. Down to a sentence. Unfortunately the minds main malfunction is that it needs to recognize, predict and copy a pattern or it will derail and basically blow up. Yes, it will.

So when we look up at the stars, even if we can accept that we don't know what we're looking at, or how they got there, we will put a temporary answer there until we know better. A best guess. Until we can put something, anything as a place holder at the end of a question we can't move on. Very very hard. This state of not putting an answer in place of the unknown is on of the characteristics of meditation, or zen...("sound-of-one-hand-clapping", etc. the unanswerable question exercise). Subsequently we build an entire mythology based on the stars and start to worship them when we have no better way of knowing. And of course the unknown, the unanswerable is one of the most fearsome things to humans, or most intelligence.

One of the biggest unknowns is death. We live are entire lives with this uncomfortable connection to  our unseen mortal finish line. This is not an easy thing for a rational, pattern seeking mind, a mind that might just end-o off the edge without a reasonable answer. In my humble opinion it drives most people a little crazy. Merely getting out of bed could be seen as an exercise in mortality denial - the denial of a pattern we know is locked. This is fear, constant fear and it drives our worst vices, our insatiable wants and in some cases our best heroism.

To live content, without this distraction, is when we are at our best. It is the happiest state we can hope to realistically achieve. We drive for career, for riches, for marriage, for family in order to be happy, anything to 'get the most' out of life, but even when things work out as planned you may not be happy. The realization of a dream, a foe conquered, a milestone broken there is no guarantee of happiness when these desires are fulfilled.



What rationality or logic has to do with government or the question of how to govern ourselves, well I'm not sure it has anything to do with it. Political winds only change when somethings gone wrong or people just aren't happy. The essential reasoning for government is fear or frustration. Fear of mob rule, unrest, anarchy. We do our worst logical, rational thinking when under this stress, especially since we rarely "know" anything. Democracy or not we generally make bad decisions on government.


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« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2007, 09:49:01 AM »

Intelligence, rationality and logic are all essentially the same thing: The ability to recognize, predict and copy a pattern.

Seriously. Down to a sentence. Unfortunately the minds main malfunction is that it needs to recognize, predict and copy a pattern or it will derail and basically blow up. Yes, it will.

So when we look up at the stars, even if we can accept that we don't know what we're looking at, or how they got there, we will put a temporary answer there until we know better. A best guess. Until we can put something, anything as a place holder at the end of a question we can't move on. Very very hard. This state of not putting an answer in place of the unknown is on of the characteristics of meditation, or zen...("sound-of-one-hand-clapping", etc. the unanswerable question exercise). Subsequently we build an entire mythology based on the stars and start to worship them when we have no better way of knowing. And of course the unknown, the unanswerable is one of the most fearsome things to humans, or most intelligence.

One of the biggest unknowns is death. We live are entire lives with this uncomfortable connection to  our unseen mortal finish line. This is not an easy thing for a rational, pattern seeking mind, a mind that might just end-o off the edge without a reasonable answer. In my humble opinion it drives most people a little crazy. Merely getting out of bed could be seen as an exercise in mortality denial - the denial of a pattern we know is locked. This is fear, constant fear and it drives our worst vices, our insatiable wants and in some cases our best heroism.

To live content, without this distraction, is when we are at our best. It is the happiest state we can hope to realistically achieve. We drive for career, for riches, for marriage, for family in order to be happy, anything to 'get the most' out of life, but even when things work out as planned you may not be happy. The realization of a dream, a foe conquered, a milestone broken there is no guarantee of happiness when these desires are fulfilled.



What rationality or logic has to do with government or the question of how to govern ourselves, well I'm not sure it has anything to do with it. Political winds only change when somethings gone wrong or people just aren't happy. The essential reasoning for government is fear or frustration. Fear of mob rule, unrest, anarchy. We do our worst logical, rational thinking when under this stress, especially since we rarely "know" anything. Democracy or not we generally make bad decisions on government.


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« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2007, 12:55:25 PM »

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I don't want to die... 

Well luckily for you I'm starting a cult to address just this kind of axiety.

you can join the many many others who now live at peace with the idea thanks to me. The deal is simple, all your Earthly goods for my guarantee there's a life for you after death. A bargain at twice the price.

Besides, how can you be so sure you dont want to die until you've tried it?





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« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2007, 05:10:38 PM »

I don't like catholicism...

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« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2007, 06:11:57 PM »

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Butchugonna. That's not even the good part. The the good part is you don't even know when or how.


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« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2007, 06:21:34 PM »

Forget about it.  Grin

When the time comes I will bawl my eyes out. 

Hopefully, it won't come to that.  Hopefully it'll happen while I am choking on my dreams.
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« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2007, 12:08:49 AM »

Like they say, the only thing worse than dying is living.
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« Reply #55 on: October 02, 2007, 03:06:39 AM »

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Shocked  I don't want to die...  :'(

Then rejoice: It will only happen to you once! Grin
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« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2007, 08:07:33 AM »

It's not death I am afraid of...

It's nothingness.

Then again, the whole ide of "Pure Being" is to become nothing.  Strip your individual self of everything and let your thoughts become the uncarved block, or whatever that crazy monk was trying to tell me...

I just think it would be funny that once we die, we wake up somewhere's else and some fat dude in a teeshirt with God written on it says "Pretty sick joke wasn't it?"

Cuz that would be phucked up...
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