No.  You are simply suppoting here the Israeli startegy (initiated I believe by Sharon himself) of 'facts on the ground'.  i.e. you never stop encroaching, stealing, 'annexing' on the grounds that someone - like you - will say 'thats past, we can't change it'.

There are 'peace' talks (I agree with the cynical use of quotemarks) underway and there are new settlements and new enclosures going on as we speak...  but they will be 'in the past' too.

Lala,  I spoke of oppression - you did not deny it occured.  You offered no information about what was being done by Osrael against the palestinians, for the last 40 years.  Instead you offered simpe propaganda attempting to justify ANY action against 6 million people.

   
Indeed it would - it is Hamas propaganda.  Your NOT referencing equivalent dicuments from the old Likud party for example is an example of your bias, and willingness to present only a one-sided 'case'.


Again you simply refuse to report on what the Israeli actions of 40 years has effected in the lives of one and a half million people, over 40 years.  Your only 'argument' is to attempt justification of any action however illegal.


Sadly no point made .... except to repeat an attempted justification that is incorrect.  The actions of Israel in its impoverishment of the palestinians is not justified by the 'defence of Israel' excuse - it continued throughout the all too short periods of detente, it is disproportionate to the crime, it is illegal by treaties to which Israel and your government are signatories.  Israel's (and your) denial of self-determination for the palestinians is contrary to the universal declaration of human rights to which your government is signatory.  The annexation of land, denial of trade and free movement, the blockade of Gaza and to a lesser extent the WB, the denial of medical aid, the 'rationing' of water and electricity, the destruction of purely civilian infrastructure, the carefully managed use of 'collateral deaths'  -  none of these are denied, all are matters of fact, yet all are illegal and morally reprehensible.    I have read enough of your 'intellectual debating' style (to quote Akh) to know that all this post will get is another incoherent ranting diatribe along previous lines of attempted justification of the unjustifiable.   At best you will attempt to divert by endless demands for 'proof' - which will be argued over and denied.   Whereas you are actually powerless to DISPROVE the facts of what has happened:  screeching imprecations at sabre-rattling by the side you hate is so much easier than examining events....  which might point out that the side you love is not just AS criminal as the palestinians, but more so.

Lala,  I would be quite content to leave the issue.  If you would too.  However, there is one point where I must frankly call you a liar and a disgusting distorter of truth:  I have NEVER justified violence and terror by either side.     There is an old french saying 'comprendre tout, c'est pardonner tout'  And I deny categorically that it is right. 

Your posts are nothing but attempted justification of the unjustifiable.  Mine are about recognising that evil is done by BOTH sides - and that Israel is far from innocent.   Perhaps if instead of citing Hamas documents and ignoring Israeli bravado you actually looked at what has happened in 40 years.... 



BTW  If you chose to go by a name that is some (ironic?) attempt to give you unwarranted authority, surely I can address you by one that denies that?   My name actually is Callum.  I don't need to call myself 'He who speaks truth' or 'Only I know whats happening'.   As you say, the non-commited members of the board can judge for themselves.

 Thanks for that clear example of your methods.  I accuse you of lying and distortion - do you attempt to deny it? Do you show where I have ever justified terrorism?   No, you simply squawk your idiot arguments and prejudices.  You are a disgrace - you, personally.  You have not the slightest neurone of sense yet seem to think that shouting loudly the same mantra again and agian is 'argument'

Bring it on 'realityman'  I'm waiting for the 'reality.  Back up your filthy lies with some real facts, rather than your fevered delusions - where once did I justify terrorism? 

Answer directly, without 'interpretation' or your usual diversions.  or be shown to be the liar you are.

I am amazed at this.   You throw out a personal accusation.   You attempt to discredit and when called not only do you not offer a shred of proof, you actually attack on atotally different subject, and then accuse me of avoiding issues!!   
 
And then you introduce a new personal accusation, that I am someone else!  Presumably someone you also wish to lie about.   Well, firstly, you cannot show a single instance to back up your claim that I justify terrorism.  Secondly, the mods here will prove that I am not who you claim - I believe they have the IPAs of all posters. 

There is only one word for you....
LIAR

jesus you guys need to chill out in here.


breathe. "cool green ocean. cool green ocean". Repeat.

So why can't you answer the points and sources brought up by Realityman? 

You're one sick puppy, and still you evade and weave.