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« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2008, 01:25:48 PM »


We both believe in the sanctity of life.  But I will play devils advocate for a minute.  Why is this child’s life valuable? Simply because we say so? I hope there is a greater reason than that…


I appreciate that you are playing the Devil's Advocate, but might I suggest that life is such a capricious and unlikely occurence in the universe, that ipso facto it is valuable. 

Again, as the devil's advocate, I see no reason to regard life as an unlikely occurrence within the universe. It is no more or less likely than any other particular arrangement of atoms, quarks, etc.  Yes we have the ability to reproduce.  Yes, we have the ability to perceive.  So what? We regress to a physical state and are nothing more than a compilation of molecules.

I suppose you could argue that if the universe never had a beginning, that life would inevitably happen;  Life was doomed to happen.  As such, why should I acknowledge the sanctity of life?

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Within my (albeit subjective) morality, there is nothing - no transgression, no sin, and no circumstance which justifies the taking of human life. There does not have to be a reason, greater or lesser. It is axiomatic.  Smiley

So the question here is not whether the parents have committed a crime, but why they did it, and whether such criminal acts may be justified by personal beliefs.

Why must they be justified? Who are/should they be accountable to?
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« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2008, 01:28:50 PM »

Please forgive me Iamme, I was not trying to offend you.

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However, if their belief in God happens to be true, then there is ultimately no harm to the child (i.e. heaven) despite the parent's trangression.

What so murder is no big deal?

 
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Ironically, if there is no God, there is no harm at all.

I couldn't disagree more: this child is dead an will not come back - she has ceased to exist, to perceive. There is no greater harm.


We both believe in the sanctity of life.  But I will play devils advocate for a minute.  Why is this child’s life valuable? Simply because we say so? I hope there is a greater reason than that…

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I don't need to demonstrate that he is wrong: the actions of countless atheists demonstrate that he is wrong.

How could I suggest your lack of morality when you recognize and abhorrer the immorality of this poor girls parents? I admire your morals and agree with you about this girls parents.  Similarly, I know many atheists with exceptional morals by my standard of morals.  If anything, your morality IMHO is a sign of God within you. 

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That leads me to a tangent; Independent of a God, what moral obligation do parents have to their children? How do you defend such an obligation? IOW why does it matter? You can vilify and condemn friend, but why do you care?

I'm going to ignore this rather childish idea that unless there is an authority to make me feel compassion then I wont feel it.

I struggle to understand WHY you believe they were immoral.  I am simply asking what place morality has in the absence of God.  If we are just shadows and dust, why does it matter? I see your commendable morality as inconsistent with a solely material world view.  I hope this clarifies my questions.

I will create a new thread for this topic because I have already detracted enough from this thread.   


I'll answer in the new thread.
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