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Author Topic: "Holy crap! It's the freakin' Pope!"  (Read 315 times)
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« on: April 20, 2008, 11:44:37 AM »

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the pope has come to America... but that's not why I'm angry. I'm not angry at the pope, or Catholics or even religion... but at America.

It's no secret that Christians make up the large majority of this country and it really shouldn't surprise me anymore that they get certain perks... like their God being inserted into the pledge of allegience, their God being coined on American currency and their holidays made federal while other religions take personal days.

But hey, like I said... I'm not bitter ( Wink ).

What kinda erks me is that Pope Benedict was allowed to visit ground zero (like catholics were the only victims on September 11th) and hold a gigantic mass at Yankee Stadium. In the intrest of being fair, could a Muslim cleric be allowed to do this? No matter the number of Muslims that would support such an event, something tells me that massive public support would ralley against the ceremony... and that's what makes me angry.

Anyone else have thoughts they want to share?
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2008, 07:00:29 PM »

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the pope has come to America... but that's not why I'm angry. I'm not angry at the pope, or Catholics or even religion... but at America.

It's no secret that Christians make up the large majority of this country and it really shouldn't surprise me anymore that they get certain perks... like their God being inserted into the pledge of allegience, their God being coined on American currency and their holidays made federal while other religions take personal days.

But hey, like I said... I'm not bitter ( Wink ).

What kinda erks me is that Pope Benedict was allowed to visit ground zero (like catholics were the only victims on September 11th) and hold a gigantic mass at Yankee Stadium. In the intrest of being fair, could a Muslim cleric be allowed to do this? No matter the number of Muslims that would support such an event, something tells me that massive public support would ralley against the ceremony... and that's what makes me angry.

Anyone else have thoughts they want to share?


I don't know about a Muslim Cleric.  However, President Ahmadinejad was not allowed to visit Ground Zero.    This was partly for his sake (imagine the kind of security he would demand) and partly because of his anti-American bias.  He probably wouldn't have anything positive to say about the event other than praise for the terrorists.

I would not say this country is majority Christian, but rather 'christian.'  i.e. it is more of a tradition or culture than a deep-held belief in Jesus, etc.  The majority of Americans are familiar with Christian traditions and therefore aren't bothered by them whereas Muslim culture is relatively foreign to us.  It is more of a cultural issue than a religious one IMHO. 
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2008, 07:20:20 PM »

I don't know about a Muslim Cleric.  However, President Ahmadinejad was not allowed to visit Ground Zero.    This was partly for his sake (imagine the kind of security he would demand) and partly because of his anti-American bias.  He probably wouldn't have anything positive to say about the event other than praise for the terrorists.

Well, Ahkmenijhad is a totally different story. Like, in another dimension.

He wasn't denied access because of his religion, but because of the things he's said about the US. I wouldn't want him there either.

But a highly esteemed Muslim. I personally can't think of anyone because I simply don't know enough about Islam. I know they don't have a "leader", but surely one living Cleric is respected by both sides of Islam... no? And if not, what about a Jewish Rabbi? Basically, a non-Christian is what I'm getting at here.

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I would not say this country is majority Christian, but rather 'christian.'  i.e. it is more of a tradition or culture than a deep-held belief in Jesus, etc.  The majority of Americans are familiar with Christian traditions and therefore aren't bothered by them whereas Muslim culture is relatively foreign to us.  It is more of a cultural issue than a religious one IMHO.

I think religion and culture are pretty much the same thing...
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2008, 07:51:28 PM »

If I chose to get mad over shit like this, I'd be a sad little man.

This is worthless to anybody who doesn't care about the Pope, IMO.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2008, 08:57:17 PM »

I'm not mad... just a little irked at the realization that he's only allowed to do this cause he's Catholic.

I just made the post cause I had some time to kill.
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2008, 06:52:12 AM »

Actually I'm writing something about this. I'll post it on another section of the forum because is more political that religious. Though I think your "irkness" is justified, the Pope is STILL a head of state and should be treated like one... For the common western hemisphere person, The Pope is the "goodiest" person in the World, so imagine if Bush decided not to permit him do something... He would be criticized more than ever...
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2008, 02:11:30 PM »

I thought it was interesting to hear the Pope reading the "we hold these truth to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" when the Church is anti-equality. For pragmatic reasons they don't say it anymore but:

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2008, 05:55:37 PM »

Actually I'm writing something about this. I'll post it on another section of the forum because is more political that religious. Though I think your "irkness" is justified, the Pope is STILL a head of state and should be treated like one... For the common western hemisphere person, The Pope is the "goodiest" person in the World, so imagine if Bush decided not to permit him do something... He would be criticized more than ever...

I'm not saying he can't come or that he can't make speeches.

I'm talking about the mass they had at Yankee Stadium - security for which must have cost millions... if not billions.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2008, 08:05:24 AM »

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But a highly esteemed Muslim. I personally can't think of anyone

You may have answered your own question....  laugh
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