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« on: March 07, 2008, 12:31:56 PM » |
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Hi all!
I was just thinking, Islam and Christianity are both rather imperialistic religions--they both believe that they are the only way to god. Now, their are different shades of this belief, but the overall opinion among their followers is that. And, the scriptures of both religions support this belief. This is very different from, say Hinduism and Judaism, which see the holiness in every religion. Also, Christians in the USA try to spread their religion throughout the world (I know, I'm Christian) and Muslim spread theirs. Throughout history this has caused much blood stead throughout the world.
Do you think that this nature of both religions will cause much fighting in the distant future? And is their a solution?
It seems to me that this attitude will be very hard to change.
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2008, 12:42:55 PM » |
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Please change your avatar.....regardless of what it is SUPPOSED to stand for, it has a different effect on the less educated....living in Oklahoma, I am very familiar with the native american origins of the symbol...others will see it as a direct connection to the madman of the 20th century who killed millions under it's banner.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2008, 03:04:41 PM » |
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Hi all!
I was just thinking, Islam and Christianity are both rather imperialistic religions--they both believe that they are the only way to god. Now, their are different shades of this belief, but the overall opinion among their followers is that. And, the scriptures of both religions support this belief. This is very different from, say Hinduism and Judaism, which see the holiness in every religion. Also, Christians in the USA try to spread their religion throughout the world (I know, I'm Christian) and Muslim spread theirs. Throughout history this has caused much blood stead throughout the world.
Do you think that this nature of both religions will cause much fighting in the distant future? And is their a solution?
It seems to me that this attitude will be very hard to change.
Hinduism and Judaism are not much better. The sense of religious entitlement of the Zionist movement to a homeland has directly caused the bloodshed in the Mid. East. There have been numerous wars between Hindus and Buddhists throughout history. The only example of a truly peaceful religious group I can think of is the Amish. |
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2008, 03:31:18 PM » |
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Quakers are pretty friendly too, and Mormons.
The point I'd like to address is whether ideological imperialism is in itself a bad thing. People get out of hand with it, but does that mean it is the problem?
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acorn0101
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2008, 04:32:26 PM » |
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Please change your avatar.....regardless of what it is SUPPOSED to stand for, it has a different effect on the less educated....living in Oklahoma, I am very familiar with the native american origins of the symbol...others will see it as a direct connection to the madman of the 20th century who killed millions under it's banner. But mine is a Hindu one--it doesn't even look like the Nazi one. Hinduism and Judaism are not much better. The sense of religious entitlement of the Zionist movement to a homeland has directly caused the bloodshed in the Mid. East. There have been numerous wars between Hindus and Buddhists throughout history.
That's absolutely true. But I was referring to conflict caused by conversion and such. Like, the Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists don't try to convert everyone. Most Muslims and Christian groups believe that theirs is the true one, and thus try to convert people of any culture and religion. This creates conflict. |
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2008, 04:47:22 PM » |
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Please change your avatar.....regardless of what it is SUPPOSED to stand for, it has a different effect on the less educated....living in Oklahoma, I am very familiar with the native american origins of the symbol...others will see it as a direct connection to the madman of the 20th century who killed millions under it's banner. But mine is a Hindu one--it doesn't even look like the Nazi one. That didn't look like an invitation to discuss it. If you want, I can change it for you? |
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2008, 05:00:02 PM » |
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It looks like a third graders attempt at a swastika...I didn't even mention Nazi...but you knew what I meant...it is clearly a swastika...even though it is not the Reich banner...it has a history...it is just best to change it rather than getting Admin involved.
Your attention is greatly appreciated, and I offer this kudo in advance of you doing the right thing.
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2008, 06:47:02 PM » |
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I changed it. Sorry if I offended anyone.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2008, 01:42:54 AM » |
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I changed it. Sorry if I offended anyone.
Just illustrates your point I think, of how certain ideologies can be pervasive. I guess they never listen to Wagner in Oklahoma either  On a more serious point, the serious idea of a meme (and memeplexes) is a rather good way of encompassing the mind devouring potential of ideas (even the idea of a meme!). (BTW I italicised 'serious' because I know that in some quarters the real meaning of meme has been debased to some sort of stock rejection-epithet) |
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 07:34:18 AM » |
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I changed it. Sorry if I offended anyone. I think you headed this off before that was allowed to happen. This is a forum where people from ALL over ths globe come...there is a history here of a slippery-slope....we let you keep your avatar...the next new member from Stormfront comes and wants the Reich banner as his avatar and points to you as a reason to do so..... If this forum was a place where only civil, educated and mature members resided....I would see no problem with your Hindu avatar....but alas....some of our members are juveniles who have escaped the psychiatric ward from prison. Thanks again for your understanding. |
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2008, 02:06:41 PM » |
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I changed it. Sorry if I offended anyone. I think you headed this off before that was allowed to happen. This is a forum where people from ALL over ths globe come...there is a history here of a slippery-slope....we let you keep your avatar...the next new member from Stormfront comes and wants the Reich banner as his avatar and points to you as a reason to do so..... If this forum was a place where only civil, educated and mature members resided....I would see no problem with your Hindu avatar....but alas....some of our members are juveniles who have escaped the psychiatric ward from prison. Thanks again for your understanding. I'm sorry, but almost any symbol/picture could be offensive to someone. My avatar is most likely offensive to pro-lifers as well as those with a fear of skulls. A picture of the White House could be offensive to an anarchist or libertarian. A picture of a dollar bill could be offensive to socialists (like me). There is a slippery slope here, but its not the one you think. |
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2008, 04:31:42 PM » |
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Get this. It is not a discussion. It is a statement. The Posting Rules are very clear on it. The say in part... Posting Rules:
1. Cultural/national/religious bigotry and hate-speech, racism, excessively derogatory remarks and advocating violence will not be tolerated.
Posts violating this rule will be edited or deleted at the moderators' discretion. Repeat offenders will be suspended or banned at the administrators discretion. Nazi and other hate group postings will not be tolerated this includes the symbols commonly associated with them.
Interpretation of the rules is NOT the job of posters, but staff. As to your straw man of the dollar bill, fine. Start a forum, and ban it's image. Neat how that works huh? This was over and done, with no need to delve into it further. But since you insisted I am happy to explain. |
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2008, 06:25:52 PM » |
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Every relgion says they are the only way to God (as if there was a way to Him...)
The solution is: NO RELIGION or just a little for the taste.
Religion is not important. Realy. So the less you are in that stuff, the better you feel.
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2008, 01:42:48 PM » |
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Get this. It is not a discussion. It is a statement. The Posting Rules are very clear on it. The say in part... Posting Rules:
1. Cultural/national/religious bigotry and hate-speech, racism, excessively derogatory remarks and advocating violence will not be tolerated.
Posts violating this rule will be edited or deleted at the moderators' discretion. Repeat offenders will be suspended or banned at the administrators discretion. Nazi and other hate group postings will not be tolerated this includes the symbols commonly associated with them.
Interpretation of the rules is NOT the job of posters, but staff. As to your straw man of the dollar bill, fine. Start a forum, and ban it's image. Neat how that works huh? This was over and done, with no need to delve into it further. But since you insisted I am happy to explain. Fair enough. I didn't break the rules by stating my opinion did I? |
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2008, 08:50:09 PM » |
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Fair enough. I didn't break the rules by stating my opinion did I?
Did you get banned or warned? |
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