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« on: March 08, 2008, 07:54:25 AM »

A culture prepared to live in peace next to Israel (or ANYONE for that matter)??

The Palestinians are quick to cry out for the world's sympathy when "innocents" gets accidentally killed after their "elected leadership" fires rockets targeting Israeli towns... forcing Israel to respond by targeting terrorists and those responsible for the rocket fire.  Yet here again we have a prime example of that same Palestinian elected Leadership claiming responsibility for the purposeful killing of innocent children, and openly praising the actions that led to the deaths of innocent civilians (mostly teenagers/students).

Not many cultures I know of (or would want as my neighbor) would then CELEBRATE those innocent deaths and PRAISE the monster who carried out the massacre.... Not many Cultures... EXCEPT FOR THE PALESTINIANS.

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Gunman kills 8 at Jerusalem seminary

By ARON HELLER and STEVEN GUTKIN, Associated Press Writer Thu Mar 6, 10:20 PM ET

JERUSALEM - A gunman entered the library of a rabbinical seminary and opened fire on a crowded nighttime study session Thursday, killing eight people and wounding nine before he was slain, police and rescue workers said. It was the first major militant attack in Jerusalem in more than four years.

Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip praised the operation in a statement, and thousands of Palestinians took to the streets of Gaza to celebrate.


......Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev and moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas condemned the shooting. But Regev said the Palestinian government must take steps against the extremists — not just denounce their attacks.

"Tonight's massacre in Jerusalem is a defining moment," he told The Associated Press. "It is clear that those people celebrating this bloodshed have shown themselves to be not only the enemies of Israel but of all of humanity."

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who only on Wednesday persuaded Abbas to return to peace talks with Israel, called the attack an "act of terror and depravity."

Israeli defense officials said the attacker came from east Jerusalem, the predominantly Palestinian section of the city. Jerusalem's Palestinians have Israeli ID cards that give them freedom of movement in Israel, unlike Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the attacker walked through the seminary's main gate and entered the library, where witnesses said some 80 people were gathered. He carried an assault rifle and pistol, and used both weapons in the attack. Rosenfeld said at least six empty bullet clips were found on the floor.

.....Hamas stopped just short of claiming responsibility (but later proudly claimed responsibility http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080307/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflicthamasclaim_080307144100;_ylt=ArXk.6q5QeauYqClV0J0sAMUvioA    ) for the Jerusalem shootings. "We bless the operation. It will not be the last," Hamas said in a statement sent to reporters by text message.

At mosques in Gaza City and the northern Gaza Strip, many residents performed prayers of thanksgiving — only performed in cases of great victory to thank God.

About 7,000 Gazans marched in the streets of Jebaliya, firing in the air in celebration, and visited homes of those killed and wounded in the last Israeli incursion. In the southern town of Rafah, residents distributed sweets to moving cars, and militants fired mortars in celebration.

Rice said she spoke with Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni to express U.S. condolences to the people of Israel and the families of the victims.

"This barbarous act has no place among civilized peoples and shocks the conscience of all peace loving nations. There is no cause that could ever justify this action," she said......

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians_24;_ylt=AhqKvI8zZ4HWdQZex60uKv8UvioA

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Fri Mar 7

WASHINGTON (AFP) - World governments issued a fresh wave of condemnation Friday of a gun attack in a Jerusalem religious school, after the Islamist group Hamas claimed responsibility for the shooting.

The strongest language came from Washington, where there was anger over the scenes of joy in the streets of Gaza, where crowds of Palestinian gunmen fired into the air to celebrate Thursday's murder of eight teenagers.

"It was extremely disheartening to see people in the streets in Gaza and elsewhere celebrating such an attack. That is fairly disgusting, actually," White House spokesman Tony Fratto told reporters.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080307/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictisraelattackworld_080307165642;_ylt=AmHu_7aJ2VKr2Ofnc2AIp8IUvioA


So what will happen now?  As Abbas will do nothing.. AGAIN, forcing Israel to target those responsible.  As the proud Palestinian terrorist purposely hide among their innocent citizens, no doubt innocent Palestinians will be caught in the crossfire and will be injured or killed (just as Hamas plans).  The Palestinians will then use the news of these innocent deaths as propaganda to justify more rockets and for attempted suicide bombings and/or terror attacks...

When will CIVIL Palestinian Leadership be brought forward?  Leadership willing to ACT against their inbred terrorists??  MEANWHILE we have Abbas promising peace as daily rocket fire rains down on Israeli citizens.

The Palestinian People proudly elected Hamas... Now "they've got" Hamas... but of course, it must be "someone else's fault"... It always seems to be in the eyes of those who turn a purposeful blind eye to the FACTS they don't want to see.  Wink.  Maybe those who actively work to excuse this group's history of terror and violence (which has not only been against Jews and Israel) would welcome this "group" as neighbors (??).  Until Abbas (or other Palestinian Leadership) takes ACTION (not just empty words) against groups who openly advocate such activities AND the destruction of Israel, there can clearly be no meaningful, lasting peace.  So long as Hamas, and the "like", are allowed to run free in the streets under the "watchful" eye of those who pretend to represent the Palestinian people, there can clearly be no meaningful, lasting peace.

The Covenant of Hamas:
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Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it"
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/hamas.htm
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2008, 08:18:40 AM »

Y'know Realityman, I was perusing yesterday all the events you portrayed in your post and couldn't help but think:

1) When is Israel going to 'snap' and go after Hamas, Hezbollah and their masters in Iran, Syria and Lebanon. The Israeli people are right now almost going berserk over their governments inability to protect them.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5091

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2) The celebrations and pride in Gaza over their 'achievements' in constantly pinpricking the Israeli's is an eye opener. The man that killed those rabbinical students was an Israeli Arab who drove the students to school. His family has put up a mourning tent with Hamas and Hezbollah flags at their residence in E. Jerusalem celebrating his actions. Another eye opener.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23341068-663,00.html

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3) The Israeli army, against all world opinion almost, will be forced to mount a massive operation in the whole of Gaza. I sincerely hope level headed minds think this one through before proceeding.  Sad

 
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2008, 09:29:17 AM »

You have to remember that Israel just slaughtered--and has been slaughtering--hundreds of innocent Palestinians. This killing is a response. If Israel will offer peace--as Hezbollah and Hamas have--then much of the violence will stop. Not to mention the open-air-prison that Israel built to lock innocent Palestinians up. This all creates anger, you know. Israel continues its irrational response to relatively minor acts by so-called "terrorists." For example, Israel killed 130 Palestinians last week in response to two Israeli soldiers dying. If Israel continues such barbaric actions, then of course Hamas will retaliate.

http://www.economist.com/world/africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10808635
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2008, 09:39:05 AM »

You people seem to forget that just a few days ago, Israel liked 130 Palestinians in Gaza. Not to mention, the open-air-prison that Israel built to lock innocent Palestinians up. Israel killed 130 Palestinians in response to two Israeli soldiers dying. If Israel continues such barbaric actions, then of course Hamas will retaliate.

Hamas made it clear that they want peace, but Israel refuses.

http://www.economist.com/world/africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10808635


Of course you conveniently forget that most of those killed were militants, the rest were allowing the militants to operate in civilian areas. Sadly, hiding behind women and children doesn't matter to the terrorists.  Roll Eyes
.. I'd be bloody mad if terrorists tried operating in my neighborhood. So don't come the raw prawn with me!  Angry
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2008, 09:46:51 AM »

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Of course you conveniently forget that most of those killed were militants, the rest were allowing the militants to operate in civilian areas. Sadly, hiding behind women and children doesn't matter to the terrorists.  Roll Eyes--Terry Mathis

And what did the militants do to get such a retaliation from Israel? Kill two Israeli soldiers 
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Of course you conveniently forget that most of those killed were militants, the rest were allowing the militants to operate in civilian areas. Sadly, hiding behind women and children doesn't matter to the terrorists.  Roll Eyes--Terry Mathis

And what did the militants do to get such a retaliation from Israel? Kill two Israeli soldiers 


You miss the forest for the trees. The point is that all this would stop if Hamas quit attacking Israel, as Israel has every right to proactively protect itself. Are you a anti-Hebrew? Sure post like one.  Roll Eyes
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Of course you conveniently forget that most of those killed were militants, the rest were allowing the militants to operate in civilian areas. Sadly, hiding behind women and children doesn't matter to the terrorists.  Roll Eyes--Terry Mathis

And what did the militants do to get such a retaliation from Israel? Kill two Israeli soldiers 


You miss the forest for the trees. The point is that all this would stop if Hamas quit attacking Israel, as Israel has every right to proactively protect itself. Are you a anti-Hebrew? Sure post like one.  Roll Eyes

You're right on Terry... Acorn's response is typical of those who don't want to see the obvious.  If there wasn't a daily barrage of rockets... wouldbe suicide bombers and training/recruitment for such future suicide bomber/terrorists,... militants running free in the streets, or an agenda of Israel's destruction, there'd be no need to target terrorists, have a protective wall, or for Israel to "police" violent neighbors who refuse to police themselves.  If not for Palestinian violence and a desire to destroy Israel, Palestinians (and "Arabs", before the concept of Palestinians as a unique people) would have had autonomy long ago.

So long as Hamas is allowed to operate freely under the "watchful eye" of Fatah/Abbas who pretends to be in power, there can be no peace.  (Are we supposed to applaude Abbas/Fatah when they condemn Hamas and "terrorism" in statements, BUT TAKE NO MEANINGFUL ACTION AGAINST IT??)... So long as Palestinians continue to teach and build a culture of, as one article quotes..."celebrating this bloodshed" and  which "bless the operation" (referring to the mass murder of innocent children) and elect and openly support regimes which threaten more similar "operations", there can clearly be no peace.

Hamas doesn't want certain borders with Israel, they want Israel destroyed.  They're very clear about this.  This being the case, it should be clear to anyone who looks objectively at the situation that Hamas and peace with Israel can not coexist.  So long as the Palestinian people continue to support them and their efforts instead of fighting them, their efforts, and their agenda,... they're not ready for peace.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2008, 12:23:32 PM »

An well-written op-ed about this very topic with an interesting, throught provoking analogy:

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Blackening the Palestinian soul
By Gil Troy   March 9, 2008

Sometimes, for a brief moment, the clouds part and the moral issues surrounding the Middle East conflict become clear.

This week's shooting at a Jerusalem school shined a harsh spotlight on the nihilistic violence that lies at the core of Palestinian nationalism. Building an entire ideology -- eagerly fed by the rest of the Arab world -- that focuses so much on attacking the Jewish state is perverse and self-destructive. In the wake of this week's tragedy, the challenge now is for those forces able to trigger reforms within Palestinian society to recognize its self-destructive path, and demand change.

On Thursday, a Palestinian terrorist entered the library of a Jerusalem Yeshiva, Mercaz HaRav, and sprayed students with as many as 600 bullets. Moments later, eight students, ranging in age from 15 to 26, lay dead, and another 10 lay wounded. Although Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas vaguely condemned "all attacks that target civilians, whether they are Palestinian or Israeli," this bloodbath triggered celebrations in Gaza and the West Bank. Gazans proudly shot rifles into the air and threw candy in delight. The murderer's family claims his entire village is proud of him.

(The murderer's family claims his entire village is proud of him.)

 By contrast, earlier in the week, when Israel felt compelled to enter Gaza temporarily after over 7,000 rockets had rained down on the town of Sderot during seven trying years, and long-range rockets from Iran had ripped into the city of Ashkelon, Israel's soldiers tried hitting surgically. Most of the Gazan dead were terrorists -- and the civilian casualties that resulted triggered an anguished debate among Israelis. The bystanders' deaths were mourned not celebrated; the difficult dilemma of how to fight an enemy embedded among civilians was dissected endlessly.

Imagine that after the Dawson College shootings in Montreal last year, the gunman Kimveer Gill had become a pop star to young Americans, and no American leaders specifically condemned worshiping this murderer.  How would Canadians react?.  Imagine that Mexicans toasted Steven Kazmierczak on the streets of Tijuana after he slaughtered five students at Northern Illinois University last month. Would Americans forgive Mexicans for the gesture? .  Would they consider making political concessions to Mexico as a result? The celebration of this sort of slaughter entails a dehumanization of the victims so intense as to dehumanize the apologist. Such hatred is all-consuming.

This addiction to violence has been the Palestinian national movement's central failing. The repeated embrace of violence over compromise, and the celebration of barbaric terrorist attacks, serve to blacken the soul, individually and collectively. Such mindless outward violence inevitably leads to a society that solves internal problems with similar brutality. The Fatah-Hamas blood feuds in the West Bank and Gaza reveal the legacy of decades of Jew-hatred. Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir's insight rings truer than ever: As long as Palestinians hate Israeli children more than they love their own kids, peace is unattainable. As long as organizations such as Hamas invest more in trying to destroy Israeli society than building a Palestinian state, the violence will only fester.

Not surprisingly, the United Nations Security Council refused to condemn the Mercaz HaRav attack. As long as phrases such as "cycle of violence" are used to rationalize pathological behaviour, the most violent nihilists in the Palestinian national movement will feel emboldened. The equivocators enable the terror, and share the blame -- at least indirectly.

Another truism of unclear origin: If the Palestinians had produced a Gandhi, instead of a Yasser Arafat, if the Palestinians had relied on non-violence not terrorism, they would have had a strong, viable state long ago. To that insight, we must add a new truism: that if so many people in the world did not equivocate in the face of Palestinian terror, let alone justify it, peace would have been achieved long ago, too.

The enablers and perpetrators of terror are both guilty, not only of crimes against Israel, but of crimes against humanity.

http://web.israelinsider.com/views/12698.htm
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That was a very good article realityman, and oh so true!
.. it actually mirrors my thoughts on the subject. Right now there is kind of a 'lull' in the fighting between Israel and Hamas while U.S./Egyptian negotiators talk to both sides (different rooms  Grin ) in Cairo trying to hammer out a workable truce between the two. Hamas so far isn't giving so much as demanding things. So keep your fingers crossed.. with both hands. Hamas is still insisting on its own armed guards at the Egyptian/Gaza crossing... and so on.
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2008, 04:08:08 PM »

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Of course you conveniently forget that most of those killed were militants, the rest were allowing the militants to operate in civilian areas. Sadly, hiding behind women and children doesn't matter to the terrorists.  Roll Eyes--Terry Mathis

And what did the militants do to get such a retaliation from Israel? Kill two Israeli soldiers 

do you think before you post?
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2008, 05:34:11 PM »




Huh???  Huh?  Huh?
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That was a very good article realityman, and oh so true!
.. it actually mirrors my thoughts on the subject. Right now there is kind of a 'lull' in the fighting between Israel and Hamas while U.S./Egyptian negotiators talk to both sides (different rooms  Grin ) in Cairo trying to hammer out a workable truce between the two. Hamas so far isn't giving so much as demanding things. So keep your fingers crossed.. with both hands. Hamas is still insisting on its own armed guards at the Egyptian/Gaza crossing... and so on.

Unforunately, I seriously doubt that the fighting between the two will EVER stop ..... At least, not until Israel completely unleashes it's full military-might, and a MAJOR conflict/war happens.  Then, and IMO, only then, it will stop, and it's not going to be good for the Palestinians.  This mini war has been going on way too long for people just to suddenly stop....It's not going to end like that....not in a truce or not in a peace agreement.
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That was a very good article realityman, and oh so true!
.. it actually mirrors my thoughts on the subject. Right now there is kind of a 'lull' in the fighting between Israel and Hamas while U.S./Egyptian negotiators talk to both sides (different rooms  Grin ) in Cairo trying to hammer out a workable truce between the two. Hamas so far isn't giving so much as demanding things. So keep your fingers crossed.. with both hands. Hamas is still insisting on its own armed guards at the Egyptian/Gaza crossing... and so on.

Unforunately, I seriously doubt that the fighting between the two will EVER stop ..... At least, not until Israel completely unleashes it's full military-might, and a MAJOR conflict/war happens.  Then, and IMO, only then, it will stop, and it's not going to be good for the Palestinians.  This mini war has been going on way too long for people just to suddenly stop....It's not going to end like that....not in a truce or not in a peace agreement.




I kind of think so too, but at least the US and Egypt are making the effort. Hamas WANTS Israel to invade, so that they can claim to the world that they have the moral high ground and isolate Israel and turn them into a pariah nation state...

Unfortunately, Hamas does not put a high value on its peoples lives when it comes to fighting the 'infidel' Jews.  Wink
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That was a very good article realityman, and oh so true!
.. it actually mirrors my thoughts on the subject. Right now there is kind of a 'lull' in the fighting between Israel and Hamas while U.S./Egyptian negotiators talk to both sides (different rooms  Grin ) in Cairo trying to hammer out a workable truce between the two. Hamas so far isn't giving so much as demanding things. So keep your fingers crossed.. with both hands. Hamas is still insisting on its own armed guards at the Egyptian/Gaza crossing... and so on.

Unforunately, I seriously doubt that the fighting between the two will EVER stop ..... At least, not until Israel completely unleashes it's full military-might, and a MAJOR conflict/war happens.  Then, and IMO, only then, it will stop, and it's not going to be good for the Palestinians.  This mini war has been going on way too long for people just to suddenly stop....It's not going to end like that....not in a truce or not in a peace agreement.




I kind of think so too, but at least the US and Egypt are making the effort. Hamas WANTS Israel to invade, so that they can claim to the world that they have the moral high ground and isolate Israel and turn them into a pariah nation state...

Unfortunately, Hamas does not put a high value on its peoples lives when it comes to fighting the 'infidel' Jews.  Wink

I agree 100%!!  The effort is there between the US and Egypt, but unfortunately the effort isn't there between Hamas and Israel (especially Hamas).  Hamas loves to just pick, pick, pick at Israel, and I have a feeling that one of these days Israel is going to get tired of getting picked at and provoked, and they're going to unleash on Hamas.  ....  And then, even though Israel was PROVOKED, they are going to get the blame ... And then shi'it is going to hit the fan.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2008, 07:00:42 AM »

An interesting perspective on this very topic... And an unfortunately very "telling" survey of Palestinians (Apparently the same "Palestinians" who elected Hamas, an internationally recognized terrorist organization, into power):

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Why is that good deeds toward the Palestinians always go unrewarded?

By Bob Tyrrell
March 20, 2008

On the evening of March 6 in Jerusalem, a heavily armed Palestinian terrorist from nearby east Jerusalem entered the Mercaz Harav yeshiva and opened fire on the unarmed teenage students studying there. Eight died, and 11 were badly wounded before another student and an off-duty soldier shot the terrorist. The atrocity ignited wild celebrations in Gaza.


If you thought that the celebrations were anomalous, you might want to know about recent findings just published by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, an independent polling organization based on the West Bank. According to its polls, 84 percent of Palestinians approved of this attack. Moreover, 64 percent approve of Hamas randomly firing rockets and mortars from Gaza into Israeli communities, and 75 percent favor ending negotiations between their leaders and the Israeli government.

In September 2005, Israel, in an irenic gesture, withdrew its military from Gaza, but since then, it has endured about 2,500 rocket attacks from Gaza and almost an equal number of mortar attacks. I wonder whether 64 percent of the Palestinians would approve if Israel began reciprocal random attacks on Gaza. What is the old line, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?

Instead of lobbing artillery randomly, the Israel Defense Forces have attempted to counter Hamas' attacks with surgical strikes against their leaders and their rocket factories. However, Hamas' leaders nestle their headquarters and rocket factories in civilian neighborhoods, and civilians suffer collateral damage. That appears to have made Palestinians angry, and not at Hamas for its bellicosity but at Israel for responding to these cruel attacks. According to Khalil Shikaki, the Palestinian pollster who headed the aforementioned poll, never in the 15 years that the poll has been conducted has a majority of Palestinians favored rocket assaults on Israel or an end to negotiations. For handing over Gaza to the Palestinians, this is the thanks Israel has received. Now Palestinians want further Israeli withdrawals from the West Bank. One does not have to be a student of the late Niccolo Machiavelli to advise against further withdrawals. Shikaki's poll demonstrates that such withdrawals only make the Palestinians angrier.


When the Israel Defense Forces withdrew from Gaza (taking with them civilian settlers), the Palestinians had an opportunity to set up a peaceful community that might encourage further accommodations from Israel. As JWR contributor Victor Davis Hanson observed in a recent column, "Gaza has plenty of natural advantages. It enjoys a picturesque coastline on the Mediterranean with sandy beaches and a rich classical history. There is a contiguous border with Egypt, the Arab world's largest country and spiritual home of pan-Arabic solidarity." Hanson mused imaginatively that Gaza could become another Singapore or Hong Kong. Instead the Palestinians immediately began a civil war among themselves, and after that, they began lobbing rockets and mortars into Israel. Somehow I doubt these people want peace. In fact, I suspect peace would be a disappointment to many of them.

A recent report, "The Global War on Terrorism: An Assessment," by Robert C. Martinage of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, illuminates the problem that Israel faces with Hamas and that the West faces with Islamic terror in general. Says Martinage, "Since the death of Muhammad in 632, Islamic history has been punctuated by many periods in which various heterodox sects have emerged and clashed violently with mainstream Muslims, as well as with the West." We are living through one of those periods. Whether Israel existed or not, these Islamic terrorists still would be with us.

All that Israel and the West can do is resist the terrorists, the best way being to go on the offensive. Withdrawing from Gaza certainly has not weakened the terrorists. It has made them and their Palestinian sympathizers more eager for violence. There is one sentiment, however, in this poll that I, for one, agree with: Negotiations have been of no benefit, at least not to those who want peace.

 http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/tyrrell032008.php3
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