I read that article before Realityman, glad you put it up. It IS a reliable source. Thanks..

Terry diagnozed:


that's a stage in the cycle. They go berserk demanding heavy measures, then they go tulip demanding peace talks. Talks don't work because not enough land is offered. Heavy measures fail because not enough bad people die. Ha ha. So goes the Israeli cycle. Luck on that road to heaven. Meanwhile, the big daddy Uncle Sam is slowly but surely going down. Who will take care of the poor orphan when the daddy is gone? Sarkozy? Probably not. Mark my words, Israel will be destroyed, and it will be American Jews who will have killed it. By overpatronizing. Halliluya.

LOL... Exactly Ahk .... And to think, all this time I thought Arab/Palestinian violence, and their leaderships failure to do anything meaningful about it, might have had something to do with it...

'48 borders weren't enough for the Arabs in '48 (as they demonstrated)... '67 borders weren't enough for the Palestinians/Arabs in '67 (As they demonstrated)... BUT NOW "Talks don't work because not enough land is offered"... Who would have known the answer was so simple and would have nothing to do with Palestinian Terrorism, their failure to deal with it, and the "right of return" which the Pals would use to destroy Israel... lol 

Meanwhile, back in the real world:

And this is a "beaut"...


OK Peisi... We'll "mark your words"... lol

By the way Peisi, wasn't it YOU who who stated:

hmmmm

lol. Yeah. No propaganda coming from Hamas or PLO or Palestinians. No fake bodies, no mugging for the camera. No telling the west they just want peace but telling everyone else that "victory is Israelis suffer".
Sorry Callum but guys like you who just throw their hands over their ears, call facts propaganda and refuse to acknowledge even an inch of Palestinian or Arab responsibility just make me laugh. That's about it. There's never any use talking to guys like you.



1000 times eh? lol.No propaganda or acting as though the problem were all one-sided there. That sounds kinda like a point but not really. If you start an incident of hostility by lobbing a rocket into my territory and my response is to lob 10 rockets back well tough shit for you. Stop lobbing the rockets. If a smaller guy walks into a bar and kicks some guy 2' and 100lbs heavier than him in the balls is he a victim when the predictable happens?
Simply lining up statistics does not actually say what you imply it does.

Consider that.

I agree. Ditto to the land where the happiest mother is the one of a martyr. They show you one face begging for mercy and help and "All we want is peace" and another one entirely when you're not looking. They've brainwashed themselves into a 'forever war' - generation after generation - that regardless of whether you're willing to admit it or not -- will not and can not live with Israel.....

So actually I'm still waiting to see sincerity towards negotiations from Hamas and Gaza.


Originally I was simply laughing at Pistachios usual ambiguousness and vauge simplification. It wasn't "not enough land" (according to who? All peace requires a compromise) -- How about, "the land was all in the wrong spots" or "not homogeneous -- broken into little zones". That would make more sense.

Really makes me ill watching people write about how "as if the problem was all one-sided" and yet never make a single argument on the subject that isn't one sided or their own propaganda. Guys like you and Pistachios --- Palestinians can do no-wrong. To guys like you "underdog" = "morally righteous", and it doesn't.




Ahk

Callum, I hate to disillusion you, but you are not the second coming of Christ.

How dare you put down others posts as if your view reflect any form of superior intellect. All it does is highlight your own insecurities and ignorance.

So no 'real discussion' until you came along and added your voice?  Lol...

What Native American land? When my ancestors came here they asked the local tribes "are you using this land?", and they replied, "No. Go ahead....and Hey! Nice rifle! Can I have one?". They just didnt concieve there'd be millions coming afterwards, and frankly neither did the colonists.

If it wasn't Europe that colonized America it would've been the Japanese. Believe me they would've had no problem executing full out genocide. This is similar to the fact that if it wasn't Israel or the British or the Americans or the Palestinians themselves, it would be the Egyptians or the Arabs or the Persians who would be butt-fucking the Pal's into submission right now. The free city state of Gaza (closest thing to the original pal's) have NEVER (not once in 5000 years) been "free". So you can take the "white Euro nazi" shit and stuff it.

Truth is the 400000 natives that inhabited North America from the north pole to the rio grande actually don't have the right to all that land -- they would've been the first to admit it, and un-like the way the East invaded Europe for centuries under one ruler or another (monglols, timurids to a lesser degree the Persians), Europe didn't simply kill all they encountered. So one culture overtakes another...what's your point? History sucks?

Profits from slavery? I don't know why you're talking to me about that but if it is your intention to seperate one instance of slavery from 5000 years of slavery history in order to sound like you have a point -- well good luck. I suppose you're one of those nobs who figures "morality" brought an end to slavery when it was technology and the the fact that it was no longer cheap. Lose all the machines in the world today and boom! -- we'd be right back to slavery.....or perhaps you figure minimum wage isnt slavery? At any rate your moral ramblings about slavery are misplaced. I'm not from the South and besides, historically it doesn't fit.

I have an idea: why not pick a subject matter and stick with it instead of swerving all over the self-rightious "my-shit-doesn't-stink-you're-all-to-blame" road? Or are you under the impression you're the first to consider these things? You'll pardon the observation but you do not at all sound like a history student. Your conclusions seem too typically simplistic and short-sighted. For example historians rarely judge north American slavery as though it was an isolated American invention. Historians know better. People who simply regurgitate other uneducated opinions because they sound cool and it's easier than reading a book or two themselves are typically the ones to cry "North American Profit-Slavery".



Ahk

^^ S'actly what I'm talking about. I'm sure some completely lunatic people will come here to try and compare this with G.I.-Joe cartoons, and it's not as though there's zero simularity there, but at the end of the day it's simply not the same. Not by a long shot. To make arguments that they are the same is instant sign of insanity, delusion or insincerity.

This is why we won't see peace there in our life time. Not because of the Americans. Not because Israel "won't play nice", but because these people have decided to sign themselves up for another 2000 years of getting kicked around (Gaza has not been "free" since 750 BC). They think they are training their kids to fight and win. They are training them to die. How can somoene come here and boo-hoo-hoo the 'terrible fate of Palestinain children and their mortality rate" when they are taught from the moment they can speak that to die is to win.

No. To die is just to die.


Ahk