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Popeye
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« on: May 22, 2008, 01:21:27 PM »

As a preface, I'll fess up that I'm a Christian, I go to church on Sundays, I pray every day, and my religion forms a key part of my moral compass.

But there seems to be an increasing amount of rather offensive bigotry fueled by religious fervor.  The link below is the latest ... a principal in South Carolina who is resigning rather than allowing an extracurricular club for gay students.  His resignation letter is funny, he does not want to allow the club based on religious convictions, and he doesn't want to quit based on religious convictions, so his compromise is to stay for a year even though the club will be part of the school.  I suppose the religious convictions to stay in the job and not be unemployed outweigh the religious conviction to allow a club for gay students.  Kind of a waffle, if you ask me.

Is it just me, or are the evangelicals becoming more and more radical, more bigoted, more active, and less Christian?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,357205,00.html
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2008, 01:41:41 PM »

Well, I'm gonna move this to the Religion forum...

Well, I'm an atheist so maybe my opinion of Evangelicals is partly based on bias, but I was never a big fan of them. Their church services are more like spectacles and their followers tend to be on the extreme end of any social issue... or rather the extremists of every issue tend to be Evangelicals...

So yes, I would personally agree with your observation, Popeye.


But I have a question: I got into an argument about what "tolerant" means. My opponent would have considered this principle "tolerant" because he's not actively trying to hurt them. I disagreed.

Thoughts?
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2008, 04:48:03 AM »

But I have a question: I got into an argument about what "tolerant" means. My opponent would have considered this principle "tolerant" because he's not actively trying to hurt them. I disagreed.

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The Principal's act was a clear case of "attempted" intolerance. 

The Principal has every right to resign over such issues of conscience.  That is his private right.

But the Principal made a big public announcement about it - essentially a threat to ban the new club.

From the news story, it appears that this Principal only backed down once he learned that the school board couldn't legally support him.  So his attempt at intolerance failed.  And then he agrees not to resign.

That's pathetic.  The Principal threatens to resign over the gay club, then recinds his threatened resignation when he discovers that he's lost the battle.

Kinda makes me suspicious about those 'principles' he was standing on to make his resignation in the first place.  The terms of his resignation suggests that he ought to resign and stay resigned.

Indeed, this Principal apparently thinks that his religious principles and convictions are merely things used to posture with to get what you want.  If that fails, then the religious principles and convictions that motivated it all apparently are secondary to the Principal's love of this job and income.

Smells like hypocritical religioius posturing to me.  And a clear attempt at intolerance that failed. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2008, 11:55:34 AM »

I would make two points:

Firstly, there is no religious basis for religious tolerance. Any Christian who believes in religious tolerance is a humanist in disguise. I mean, read the Bible: God is not a moderate.

Secondly, would a group of straight people have been allowed to set up a straight people club in the school? I doubt it. So why are homosexuals allowed to set up gays-only clubs?
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2008, 12:14:06 PM »

Secondly, would a group of straight people have been allowed to set up a straight people club in the school? I doubt it. So why are homosexuals allowed to set up gays-only clubs?
This same logic can be applied to race as well.  Look at organizations promoting say latino literacy, or college attendance for blacks.  Could you do the same and specify 'white'?  I doubt it.  This hipocracy drives me nuts.
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2008, 01:00:46 PM »

Secondly, would a group of straight people have been allowed to set up a straight people club in the school? I doubt it. So why are homosexuals allowed to set up gays-only clubs?
This same logic can be applied to race as well.  Look at organizations promoting say latino literacy, or college attendance for blacks.  Could you do the same and specify 'white'?  I doubt it.  This hipocracy drives me nuts.

I agree. Promoting literacy or college attendance among the poor is a laudable goal. Promoting literacy specifically among latinos is just racism.
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2008, 09:17:52 PM »

I don't think there is any problem with setting up a gay club, but if straights want to do it, let them.

But the school hasn't trie to ban the hypothetical straight club, so who knows. Maybe they wouldn't stop them.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2008, 12:33:29 PM »

I don't think there is any problem with setting up a gay club, but if straights want to do it, let them.

But the school hasn't trie to ban the hypothetical straight club, so who knows. Maybe they wouldn't stop them.

Perhaps.
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