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Author Topic: Moraly, What's worse: Pornography or Prostitution?  (Read 5095 times)
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« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2008, 05:43:56 PM »

I have no moral qualms with either.

Seriously. Anyone who thinks badly towards either needs a long hard look at the mirror.
Are you kidding me?
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« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2008, 06:05:40 PM »


Then the question which comes to mind is "Is porn replacing prostitution?" and "What is better?".

Both of them contain a high risk of the user receiving viruses. The only difference is the former is "computer transmitted" whilst the latter is "Sexually transmitted"

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The problem with prostitution is that a woman who start to do it regularly totaly destroy her social life.
She can't have normal husband or friend, fall into a spiral they can't get out of, turn drug addict etc.
Something less dangerous, I think with playing in porn movies, because it's more irregular.
Jerrycoacoara said that a woman would destroy her reputation more with movies. I'm not sure of that.
Prostitution is quite a public job.
The risk to be seen, unless it's in a closed house, is rather high.

It sort of depends what country you are talking about Fred. For example, Netherlands where the prostitutes have their own window, or smaller towns, there is a big chance for the prostitute to destroy her reputation. But in countries where legalised brothels are out in the suburbs behind closed doors, it is not so public.

Prostitution is a bit like being a sports person in one aspect is that you have a limited earning capacity.A prostitute might start at 18 and might be too old by 30. So, if she is smart, she should save as much as she can, or pay her way through education, and then get out and start a new life with a financial head start.

If I ever had a daughter, there is no way I would want her to become a prostitute. You have a high risk of being beaten up or bashed, like Fred says there can be a drug culture there, there is a chance of transmitted diseases and it can have a long term affect on future relations. No matter how nice the girl is, it has to be a major turn off for guys wanting to marry someone who has slept with xxx many guys before and disgusting ones at that.

There is also the downside that I would doubt if there would be much job satisfaction there. Maybe there is for some, but I could imagine others would hate it.

I think the problem with talking about prostitution is that can be like comparing apples and oranges. With many prostitution rackets, there are dreadful exploitation, with young girls being forced to have sex to earn some money for their families, others being kidnapped and forced to work there to pay for their freedom. Whereas other prostitutes earn a legal wage with tax taken out and pension payments, have regular health checks and have security officers guarding the brothel. So it can be like chalk and cheese.

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« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2008, 06:31:01 PM »

Patton, you keep repeating the 'unfettered access' like it is a mantra.  Maybe it is.  I know what my son looks at.  He isn't interested in hard core porn.  In fact, he doesn't look at it much at all.  All of your hysterics over 'saturating every nueron' and 'unfettered access' really amounts to the same as worrying about Saddam's WMD's.  In the end it doesn't amount to much.  Maybe I trust my son more than you do yours.  And yes you have created a little bit of that 'forbidden fruit' allure.

And your other points are straw men.  As you will notice I said if you agree.  There are plenty of things that are legal that if you don't agree on will cause marital strife.  The legality of it is a very secondary point in my example.
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« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2008, 08:16:29 PM »

I know what my son looks at.  He isn't interested in hard core porn.  In fact, he doesn't look at it much at all.

Well, I guess you would know since you are with him at every single computer he has access to.....and of course I was discussing long term effects, and like anything prone to addiction, it ALWAYS starts little by little by little......of course, in a few years when he is no longer under your roof....no one knows what his surfing habits will be......nueropsychologists don't even know what long term effects in the developing brain will do....the best anyone can do is make an educated guess and throw the dice. 

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There are plenty of things that are legal that if you don't agree on will cause marital strife. 

Well of course there are....why pile on more things we KNOW causes strife?

Wouldn't it be best to avoid known causes for marital strife?

Why introduce a known stressor on relationships to a growing young man as if it is perfectly normal and harmless?

If it is a cause (not the only one of course, but a cause nonetheless) for marital strife.....is it then really "harmless?"......or are destroyed relationships due to pornography considered "no harm?"
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« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2008, 08:33:51 PM »

I have no moral qualms with either.

Seriously. Anyone who thinks badly towards either needs a long hard look at the mirror.
Are you kidding me?

Sexual repression makes the world go crazy.
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« Reply #65 on: March 12, 2008, 08:55:37 PM »


Sexual repression makes the world go crazy.

Ah, that explains the quality of Untouchable's posts then  Smiley
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« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2008, 09:00:02 PM »

I think with porn and prostitution there is a middle ground.

There is obviously a desire for it amongst a certain percentage of the population. Banning it will only force it underground meaning prostitutes and porn actors/actresses working in a dangerous and unregulated work area.

At the same time we probably don't want porn and prostitution on every single street corner either. Well some might want that, but I am not sure that a "netherlands" type of society is the best way to go.

Striking a common sense middle ground between the two seems the most sensible and practical solution IMO. Smiley
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« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2008, 09:03:30 PM »


Sexual repression makes the world go crazy.

Ah, that explains the quality of Untouchable's posts then  Smiley

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« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2008, 04:08:49 AM »

Banning it will only force it underground meaning prostitutes and porn actors/actresses working in a dangerous and unregulated work area.

No one mentioned bsnning, but since you brought it up, banning either is impossible.....prostitution is already illegal....how do you make something more illegal?

And porn is on the internet which is piped into every corner of earth...we see how well the UN works, so getting a worldwide "ban" on porn seems futile.......also in the US, there is the First Ammendment issue.....and the classic "What is obscene?....I know it when I see it"

Recognizing they are both along the lines of drug use and gambling....which have far MORE potential at ruining lives and society than making lives and society better......unless of course someone has legitimate respected data to show pornography and prostitution improve the quality of our lives, our childrens lives and society at large.
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« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2008, 04:23:15 AM »


No one mentioned bsnning, but since you brought it up, banning either is impossible.....prostitution is already illegal....how do you make something more illegal?


Prostitution is illegal in the US? My apologies, I didn't know that. I learn something every day  Smiley Prostitution is completely legal in Australia so that is what I was basing my post on. It was more of a general comment rather than US specific. You will have to excuse my comprehension of US laws and regulations not being like the american posters on here, but I do my best.  Smiley

Patton, in many ways I can see where you are coming from. I personally would feel uncomfortable living in a city like Amsterdam with such a liberal sex and prostitution culture. But I also think to push it underground is not a good thing.Also the freedom of personal choice is important as well. Prostitutes and porn arn't my thing, but i have no issue with people who use either. I am not judgemental like that.
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« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2008, 04:31:40 AM »

Somebody has to eventually be the mature one and stand up and make a judgement otherwise no one does and it becomeas a free-for-all....maybe because I am required to do so on so many levels daily that it becomes reflexive....but that's the nature of my profession(s), and I can't change that......
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« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2008, 07:04:50 AM »

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Recognizing they are both along the lines of drug use and gambling....which have far MORE potential at ruining lives and society than making lives and society better......unless of course someone has legitimate respected data to show pornography and prostitution improve the quality of our lives, our childrens lives and society at large.

You know, a vast majority of "things" do not improve the quality of our lives, but we don't ban them. Fatty foods, smokes and alcohol all have the same destruction level (if not worse), than drugs and P&P. So unless you want all those things banned, you are selectively choosing which plagues of society you want illegal, which is highly hypocritical.
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« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2008, 08:06:25 AM »

Somebody has to eventually be the mature one and stand up and make a judgement otherwise no one does and it becomeas a free-for-all....maybe because I am required to do so on so many levels daily that it becomes reflexive....but that's the nature of my profession(s), and I can't change that......
That may be.  Following rules can become reflexive also.  And once rules are removed, what do you do?  I don't want to compare it to convicts, but there are many that are unable to function without those rules once they are removed.  Myself, I don't want anybody else telling me what is 'right' and what is 'wrong'.  I want to choose for myself.  Did you ever see that Sly Stallone movie 'Demolition Man'?  Dennis Leary's character has an excellent speech in it that describes what I mean.
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« Reply #73 on: March 13, 2008, 08:09:11 AM »

Haha, good call Biker. Here's that speech:

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You see, according to Cocteau's plan I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".
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« Reply #74 on: March 13, 2008, 11:08:53 AM »

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Recognizing they are both along the lines of drug use and gambling....which have far MORE potential at ruining lives and society than making lives and society better......unless of course someone has legitimate respected data to show pornography and prostitution improve the quality of our lives, our childrens lives and society at large.

You know, a vast majority of "things" do not improve the quality of our lives, but we don't ban them. Fatty foods, smokes and alcohol all have the same destruction level (if not worse), than drugs and P&P. So unless you want all those things banned, you are selectively choosing which plagues of society you want illegal, which is highly hypocritical.

Once again......who said anything about "banning" or making these things "illegal?"
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