That may be because you are mature enough to handle impulsive or compulsive behavior and keep them in check....however rules exist because there are many who can't...and so they allow there lives to be destroyed and destroy the lives of those around them.

Patton, your posts are based on one key fallacy: pornography warps the mind.

How? Can you back that up with anything other than supposition?

On a related issue, I see nothing wrong with teenagers looking at porn. We need to move on from the society where sex is something shameful/sinful. By stopping kids looking at porn (if they wish) we simply pass that irrational attitude on to the next generation.

LOL.

IMO prostitution must be legal because it fills a gap. But it must be behind closed houses or in private locations and regulated.
There is nothing worse than girls in windows.

Prostitution plays an important social role. For many men it's the only sexual life possible.
I don't think every clients are filthy bastards. Some are, but most of them are poor lonely guys.

There is no social advantage for women obviousely but with good regulation and enforcement, this can be made a lesser evil. (I have read some literature about it a bit)
Rare are prostitutes who didn't want to do this job or realy hate it. (except within criminal ring of forced sex enslavement). I mean those who do it wouldn't do it if they realy hated it. Practiced on free basis and not more than she would like to, some girls even like it.
Most of them are indifferent and accept this way of making money, a little bit like nurses in a sanatorium have to wash old invalid poeple.

Porn is somewhow fillfulling this role too, but it does something else more subtle.
Porns takes it susers out of real life, into virtual worlds. it creates addiction. There can be addiction to real whores too, but IMO the fact to meet real persons moderates it. Porn is endless and never satisfying.
A whore pass can be frustrating too, but not always. Masturbation is, for sure, always frustrating and far from a fullfilling the basic sexual needs, hence an increasing need for even more porn.

For the 15~16 years old boys, I think they are old enough to choose what they like.
From the time you do it for sex, because you look for sexual arousal, it's less bad than a younger kid who look for it out of curiousity.
Yet, the danger is that you still see things which you don't necessarly want to see. And this can change your perception uncounciousely.

The other danger is the banalisation, absolutely amazing these days, of masturbation. This is something that moves you away from real life, can become addictive and alter your real experience with girls of your age.
Paradoxaly, masturbation and porn which promotes it, makes you shy with girls because it works as a replacement and as a wait for a future time when the situation will be more favorable. But it just make you lose your most precious time.

I find it absolutely insane that masturbation be an accepted practice for 15~16 years old kids while real intercourses are not.

That's where porn and its masssive diffusion is bad: It promotes and demultiply the practice of masturbation and so doing isolates poeple.
It isolates men (young and less young) from women.
It also isolates women from men as they start to think that men look for wierd things (which is not true).
Porn has negative effect in the men/women relationships.

If you read some of the threads here in the inferno and some of our trolls post history, you will realise that people use political forums for the same purpose.


I think the point that Fred is making is that porn is subconciously making the male less likely to want real sex with a real person.I tend to agree with this in a kind of way. Porn looks at unrealistic women as purely sexual objects. So a guy that watches "big Jugs of texas" and sees women with 46JJJ chests is going to look at his girlfriend or wife with dissappointment. Similiarly with the type of sex acts done on these movies, what the wife or gf does might not be as adventurous/sordid. The movies are pure fantasy of course, but maybe they can stay in the males subconcious. I think that is where Fred is coming from(unfortunate use of terminology given the subject nature).

IMO prostitution must be legal because it fills a gap caters for a specific market.



This is what I said before. It absolutely staggered me when Patton said that prostitution was illegal. In Australia it is completely legal. Brothels are in industrial suburbs. The prostitutes pay tax on their earnings, they get regular health checks, and there is security. A person who owns a brothel must have a complete police checl. so it is regulated.

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I heard this story from a policeman many years ago. He was called to a brothel where an old guy had died. What happened was that the guy was old(maybe 70 or so) and was so nervous at doing the business that he had a heart attack in the shower beforehand, and died. So what the policeman did was dry him, put his clothes on and carry him to the car. Then they drove the car around the block and called an ambulance. So they could tell his wife that he died of a heart attack driving to the supermarket or something like that. I guess the policeman was concerned about the memory of the guy and also his wifes feelings. When I heard this I felt really sad for both really. Maybe the wife couldn't have sex anymore(I guess you get to a certain age and can't) and the guy sought relief elsewhere. It was a really sad situation.


I would guess that many would hate it, but only do it for the money. I mean, I doubt you are going to get Brad pitt walking in all the time. Many of the guys are paying for sex for a reason. Not putting the guys down, but it can't be a bundle of fun for the woman.


I agree with this in a way. I wrote about it in the above post. I just think that with porn, there are unrealistic women doing unrealisitic things, and maybe for the guy to look at his wife or gf after that, is a dissappointment. Just a theory

Basically, prostitution is legal in Rhode Island, and Nevada.  With certain provisions.  See here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_States

Somehow, a guy who goes to whores is also a loser because he can't have sex otherwise. But the topic is not funny.

In my case and in the case most of the boys of my age when I was young , there was an incredibly long time between the time we made love for the first time (often past 20) and the first time we were capable of that (15~16). It was like sex was immoral for young guys and gals but not for older, uglier adults...

About father and son, I think a father should tolerate his son watching porn, but within the limit of decency: That it doesn't become an obsession. Having a few hotpics on your computer never killed anyone. Things start to be worse when you spend money and an insane amount of time to it.
And I think pathological porn involve more "adult" than "teenagers" (thought I hate to make the differenciation). Dad should worry more about himself watching too much porn than his son IMO. LOL.

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Here in Lithuania, prostitution was legal, then became illegal, I think to stop sexual tourism.
It's enforeced and catch poeple every week or so.
But as I could see, there is a ring on the internet. I never looked into it.

What was interresting is that prostitution was legal while pornography (even hand drawings) were prohibited.
This was the first time I asked myself the question of this topic.

Most of european countries have free, legalised prostitution.

How ironic that I read this post today, being Palm Sunday.


I must say Leo that you went to a more progressive school than I did. I can't say I remember that topic being covered at my school.