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« Reply #135 on: March 25, 2008, 07:40:58 PM » |
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It's simple then....change the laws....but be aware that "antiquated ideas of morality" is an opinion also.
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Check? Is this a game? It is not to me. But you will have to trust me, I knew it was an opinion. And an admittedly not mainstream one. But plenty of ideas that were not mainstream at one point are accepted now. All it takes are some people willing to look outside their own wants and ideas, to see other peoples. Not an easy thing, as we are reminded on here at IAP daily. |
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« Reply #136 on: March 26, 2008, 03:58:14 AM » |
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Human history has been through the revolving door of declining morals before...all one needs to do is point to any of those civilations as a example of what can happen...."plenty of ideas that were not mainstream at one point are accepted now" is fine for things like TV, radio, automobiles and space travel.....but wanton solicitation of sexual depravity has been tried before with results in the destruction of those societies.
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« Reply #137 on: March 26, 2008, 05:30:52 AM » |
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You seem surprised there are people that exist who believe in something called morality.....
Do you place limitations on what is acceptable and unnacceptable behavior?
Then you suffer from it too......your argument is just where to draw the lines.
What I find unacceptable is behavior that directly harms another. "Harm" would be in the "eye of the beholder" and is subject to yet.....more opinions.Everything is subject to opinions. But I rather base laws on what we can deduce as harm rather than what your morals are. |
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« Reply #138 on: March 26, 2008, 05:36:15 AM » |
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You seem surprised there are people that exist who believe in something called morality.....
Do you place limitations on what is acceptable and unnacceptable behavior?
Then you suffer from it too......your argument is just where to draw the lines.
What I find unacceptable is behavior that directly harms another. I am not interested much in the morality. It hinges on what constitutes harm, as your last comment. I think you do not feel women are harmed by this industry, or at least they would not be if it were raised to legal status. I think they are harmed by it. Emotionally, apart from the other long list of problems. |
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« Reply #139 on: March 26, 2008, 06:24:36 AM » |
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You seem surprised there are people that exist who believe in something called morality.....
Do you place limitations on what is acceptable and unnacceptable behavior?
Then you suffer from it too......your argument is just where to draw the lines.
What I find unacceptable is behavior that directly harms another. I am not interested much in the morality. It hinges on what constitutes harm, as your last comment. I think you do not feel women are harmed by this industry, or at least they would not be if it were raised to legal status. I think they are harmed by it. Emotionally, apart from the other long list of problems. But it's all voluntary. People are exploited everyday in legal workplaces. |
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« Reply #140 on: March 26, 2008, 06:55:43 AM » |
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Everything is subject to opinions. But I rather base laws on what we can deduce as harm rather than what your morals are. Can't the root of morals come from separating ourselves from acts that cause harm? |
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« Reply #141 on: March 26, 2008, 07:08:22 AM » |
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Everything is subject to opinions. But I rather base laws on what we can deduce as harm rather than what your morals are. Can't the root of morals come from separating ourselves from acts that cause harm? Well, that's what I'm saying. And P&P aren't harmful, it's only when they are deemed illegal and immoral are they put in a place where harmful actions occur. Morality comes first with these two. |
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« Reply #142 on: March 26, 2008, 08:02:20 AM » |
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Saying "P&P aren't harmful" is an opinion that runs contrary to many others.....it can be said they are "deemed illegal and immoral" for the very reason they are considered harmful by many others.
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« Reply #143 on: March 26, 2008, 08:16:40 AM » |
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Unless someone can prove how they are harmful (something yet to be done), then you are just throwing out the opinion argument.
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« Reply #144 on: March 26, 2008, 08:27:57 AM » |
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I suspect the laws....as well as what is deemed moral/immoral..... are based on a majority opinion.....and since I live in the majority opinion, I'll leave it at that.
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« Reply #145 on: March 26, 2008, 09:17:18 AM » |
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Everything is subject to opinions. But I rather base laws on what we can deduce as harm rather than what your morals are. Can't the root of morals come from separating ourselves from acts that cause harm? Well, that's what I'm saying. And P&P aren't harmful, it's only when they are deemed illegal and immoral are they put in a place where harmful actions occur. Morality comes first with these two. Persuasive...but as a woman, if I sleep with someone an emotional connection is made and I am totally committed to that person. Outwith my control, it is all or nothing with me and I guess that is why we are so selective, to ensure we only make that connection with someone who is worth it and will value it. If you sleep with one guy, it's a big deal. You will feel everything as new and those connections will be made and I guess you then progress naturally to the next level in that relationship. You sleep with every guy on the block, what happens to your emotions? What kind of person does a woman emerge as, after a few years of that? I have no evidence about the psychology of that. I may go get some ... although I don't know who else bothers with that around here but me...  |
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« Reply #146 on: March 26, 2008, 10:17:29 AM » |
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I suspect the laws....as well as what is deemed moral/immoral..... are based on a majority opinion.....and since I live in the majority opinion, I'll leave it at that.
So, since what you believe happens to be the standard, it's right? Way to open your mind... Persuasive...but as a woman, if I sleep with someone an emotional connection is made and I am totally committed to that person. Outwith my control, it is all or nothing with me and I guess that is why we are so selective, to ensure we only make that connection with someone who is worth it and will value it. If you sleep with one guy, it's a big deal. You will feel everything as new and those connections will be made and I guess you then progress naturally to the next level in that relationship. You sleep with every guy on the block, what happens to your emotions? What kind of person does a woman emerge as, after a few years of that? I have no evidence about the psychology of that. I may go get some ... although I don't know who else bothers with that around here but me... From me to we, like your word is gospel. Granted, I do believe a lot of women are like you, but some aren't. Just because women are selective with who they sleep with doesn't mean some can't shut off their emotions while working the streets. Some women may feel that hey, I'm just doing my job. Kind of like a waitress who shows cleavage and flirts with every guy she serves to get a bigger tip. It's all business, nothing more. Just because you put a high price on sex, it doesn't mean anything as far as prostitution or porn goes. That's the way you feel, so guess what, don't go into those areas of business, and leave others be. |
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« Reply #147 on: March 26, 2008, 11:19:50 AM » |
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So, since what you believe happens to be the standard, it's right? Oh, believe me when I say it is not just me....... Why do you think it "happens to be the standard?" Those entrusted with "the standard" havn't changed "the standard" for how long now? |
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« Reply #148 on: March 26, 2008, 11:28:18 AM » |
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So, since what you believe happens to be the standard, it's right? Oh, believe me when I say it is not just me....... Why do you think it "happens to be the standard?" Those entrusted with "the standard" havn't changed "the standard" for how long now? Well, I happen to believe the majority of people are stupid as hell (see: politics), so whenever the majority decide on something, I'm quick to raise an eyebrow and look into it more deeply. Hell, slavery was the standard for a long as time, and then people started evolving into rational human beings (or, more rational, to be precise). Just because you and your neighbors agree on the same morals doesn't make it the right/wrong answer, or has any bearing on truth whatsoever. If 99% of Americans wanted to bring back slavery because they weren't morally opposed to it, it does not make it the right or logical thing to do. |
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« Reply #149 on: March 26, 2008, 11:45:50 AM » |
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I suspect the laws....as well as what is deemed moral/immoral..... are based on a majority opinion.....and since I live in the majority opinion, I'll leave it at that.
So, since what you believe happens to be the standard, it's right? Way to open your mind... Persuasive...but as a woman, if I sleep with someone an emotional connection is made and I am totally committed to that person. Outwith my control, it is all or nothing with me and I guess that is why we are so selective, to ensure we only make that connection with someone who is worth it and will value it. If you sleep with one guy, it's a big deal. You will feel everything as new and those connections will be made and I guess you then progress naturally to the next level in that relationship. You sleep with every guy on the block, what happens to your emotions? What kind of person does a woman emerge as, after a few years of that? I have no evidence about the psychology of that. I may go get some ... although I don't know who else bothers with that around here but me... From me to we, like your word is gospel. Granted, I do believe a lot of women are like you, but some aren't. Just because women are selective with who they sleep with doesn't mean some can't shut off their emotions while working the streets. Some women may feel that hey, I'm just doing my job. Kind of like a waitress who shows cleavage and flirts with every guy she serves to get a bigger tip. It's all business, nothing more. Just because you put a high price on sex, it doesn't mean anything as far as prostitution or porn goes. That's the way you feel, so guess what, don't go into those areas of business, and leave others be. Beginning to wonder where you are coming from with this... Would you marry a prostitute and have children with her? |
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